Advice for 32gb 3600 kit

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Optimal for 3200c16 loose timing although 1.4v isn't it's rated for 1.35v

I did not get that.. shall i set slower timings? what value should I put as FLCK? Half the ram frequency?

MxPhenom 216 said:
3600 C16 or 3200 C14 are best for Ryzen.

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Thank you but why 4x8 gb and not the 16x2 gbkit?

ThrashZone · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
I did not get that.. shall i set slower timings? what value should I put as FLCK? Half the ram frequency?

Thank you but why 4x8 gb and not the 16x2 gbkit?

Hi,
No 3200c16 is so limited it is what it is even if it's b-die it's a very poor bin and probably being read wrong

If you get the 3600c16 either 4x8gb kit or 2x16gb kit those timings would be 16-16-16-36 typical of good bin samsung b-die.
B-Die Finder

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

what about those?

Crucial Ballistix BL2K16G36C16U4B 16-18-18-38 3600 @1,35 volt those are cheaper than gskill.

What about flck? Should it be half the ram speed?

ThrashZone · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
what about those?

Crucial Ballistix BL2K16G36C16U4B 16-18-18-38 3600 @1,35 volt those are cheaper than gskill.

What about flck? Should it be half the ram speed?

Hi,
Loose but says amd compatible

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mxking035 · Oct 14, 2020

I have same ram Ripjaws F4-3600C16D-32GVKC.
Stable. Have run also Aida64 for almost 3 hours and 37 cycle in Memtest64.
I'm currently running at 3733mhz @1.37v due to my cpu can't boot fclk 1900.
Others in newegg review easily running 3800 16-19-19-38.

Pretty cheap: https://www.newegg.com/global/qa-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907?Description=gvkc 32gb&cm_re=gvkc_32gb-_-20-232-907-_-Product

Zach_01 · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
I set dram voltage at 1.4, left docp and tried setting 3600, 3400, 3333 and 3266. The latest is the only value the boots.

Not sure this is optimal...

View attachment 171778

Do you have a screenshot of ZenTimings when you booted on 3266?

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

no what you want to check?

milewski1015 · Oct 14, 2020

While the title only mentions 2x8 kits, Buildzoid does delve into talking about what to buy for 32GB as well:

Zach_01 · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
no what you want to check?

Yeap...

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

Zach_01 said:
Yeap...

sorry i didn't get that, I can set again 3266 if you explain to me what to check

Zach_01 · Oct 14, 2020

I juat wanted to see it in the general. See if anything changed, other than speed and tRFC. The settings on auto I mean.

Deleted member 193596 · Oct 14, 2020

timta2 said:
Upgrading to faster memory is usually a waste of money, in my experience.

yeah totally.

i just gained around 20-30 fps when going from 2666 to 3600 Mhz...

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
what about those?

Crucial Ballistix BL2K16G36C16U4B 16-18-18-38 3600 @1,35 volt those are cheaper than gskill.

What about flck? Should it be half the ram speed?

Loose timings are a big no for Ryzen. Ryzen has a lot of latency between the core, cache, and memory already. Don't add to that.

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

MxPhenom 216 said:
Loose timings are a big no for Ryzen. Ryzen has a lot of latency between the core, cache, and memory already. Don't add to that.

so what kit would you reccomend?

milewski1015 said:
While the title only mentions 2x8 kits, Buildzoid does delve into talking about what to buy for 32GB as well:

I watched almost all the video and It seems to me that dual rank modules are the best choice.

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
so what kit would you reccomend?

I watched almost all the video and It seems to me that dual rank modules are the best choice.

I literally linked 2 a bit ago.

Either 3200 14-14-14-34 or 3600 16-16-16-36

Samsung B-Dies

Zach_01 · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
I watched almost all the video and It seems to me that dual rank modules are the best choice.

Haven’t watched that but be sure that his recommendations are suited for a Ryzen system.

WarTherapy1195 said:
yeah totally.

i just gained around 20-30 fps when going from 2666 to 3600 Mhz...

Your upgrade, makes sense but when you past the 3200MHz point on a Ryzen system the ROI (Return-Of-Investment) is minimal.
Under 3000-3200MHz of course the memory subsystem is crippled.

And you have an Intel system. Your case is irrelevant to the topic here.

MxPhenom 216 said:
I literally linked 2 a bit ago.

Either 3200 14-14-14-34 or 3600 16-16-16-36

Samsung B-Dies

Those 2 will perform about the same on a Ryzen system. And b-dies with that timings... How much they cost?

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Actually I’m a little surprised that Intel system users are suggesting memory kits, without even having a Ryzen system to test and determine its behavior on different RAM configurations.

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

MxPhenom 216 said:
I literally linked 2 a bit ago.

Either 3200 14-14-14-34 or 3600 16-16-16-36

Samsung B-Dies

You are right, I am sorry.

The 3200 kit is not available but I found F4-3600C16Q-32GTZKK 16-16-16-36 at 250€

The crucial kit is 100€ less expensive with 16-18-18-38 timings.

Is the difference worth it?

Zach_01 · Oct 14, 2020

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 14, 2020

MaurizioC said:
You are right, I am sorry.

The 3200 kit is not available but I found F4-3600C16Q-32GTZKK 16-16-16-36 at 250€

The crucial kit is 100€ less expensive with 16-18-18-38 timings.

Is the difference worth it?

You might as well just stick to what you have then if you don't get the G Skill kit.

Zach_01 · Oct 14, 2020

Do I need to show you more?
Please stop trying waste people’s money... out of ignorance!

MaurizioC · Oct 14, 2020

from all the videos it seems my corsair ram aren't that bad... maybe because they are dual rank

Cowboystrekk · Oct 15, 2020

MaurizioC said:
what about those?

Crucial Ballistix BL2K16G36C16U4B 16-18-18-38 3600 @1,35 volt those are cheaper than gskill.

What about flck? Should it be half the ram speed?

They are Micron rev E. It`s a bit slower than Samsung B-die, since you have to run a few timings slower. Use ryzen master and dram calc in windows. It`s quite easy to do that. 3733 fast preset will probably work straight away. Remember to chose 2 ranks and the correct MB and Zen2.

Your timings now on auto are terrible. Especially tFAW, tRC and tRFC are very loose and reduces performance.

MaurizioC · Oct 15, 2020

I tried dram calculator after exporting html from thaiphoon.

The stick I am using are the corsair 3200 16gbx2 C16 kit

Does it make sense?

Cowboystrekk · Oct 15, 2020

MaurizioC said:
I tried dram calculator after exporting html from thaiphoon.

The stick I am using are the corsair 3200 16gbx2 C16 kit

Does it make sense?

View attachment 171828

Do you know that your ram is B-die? If it is B-die I would aim for 3600 or even higher. 3200cl16 is very seldom B-die. If you are lucky it could be Micron rev E og Hynix CJR, they both can do 3600-3800 easy, but with slower timings than B-die. If it`s Hynix AFR, Samsung E-die etc you will probably max out at around 3466-3533, but with much better timings than you currently use.

Zach_01 · Oct 15, 2020

MaurizioC said:
I tried dram calculator after exporting html from thaiphoon.

The stick I am using are the corsair 3200 16gbx2 C16 kit

Does it make sense?

View attachment 171828

Click the "Compare timings (ON/OFF)" button to the bottom to show your current timings.

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Advice for 32gb 3600 kit

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