Even with all the hate towards the 4080 pricing, we've gotta admit it's a historic product, coming after another historic one

[sLowEnd]

I wouldn't consider the RTX 4080 "mainstream" at its current price point.

 

[alon123A]

I'd probably wait until £1,200 GPU's can get more than 18fps in 15 year old games at native resolution at 1/3rd of the price, and more than 1-in-40 gamers are using 4k before calling either "mainstream".

That 1-in-40 statistic is amazing. It'd be interesting to see a geographic split right there. I'm getting macro economic vibes here.

Portal is a perfect example - it's something that was done quickly and relatively cheaply by a few people with minimal effort compared to a full game release -- and it's actually great, the game itself is fun and the graphics are awesome. As of now, ReMix has enabled my kids to try one of my liked games (portal --they're still too young for quake 2), and me to replay it with amazing lighting and graphics. That's something that wasn't possible before.

During the Covid card apocalypse Cyberpunk had just come out, and there was no 3 series cards to be had under like $1500 where I was - I really wanted to play it on my 4k big screen tv and I still had my 2080ti (which I kept for over 2 years) and at the end of its life I was playing Cyberpunk at 4k tweaked settings with DLSS 2 on + sharpening filter, and it was a game changer. It's not something people who were shelling out $1400 for a 6900xt could even do - they were stuck at 50 under FPS.

Point is features that enable you to do things you couldn't do before are valuable. I agree with the OP -- the 4080 feature set is valuable, RT is valuable, and DLSS3 works really well (tried it in witcher3, portal, and flight sim) that will massively extend the life of this card.

I guess you also feel bad for every AMD 7900 series owner like me.

Strange topic with LoL how long and provocative title. I'm just passing by to add that as form of protest, I will not buy a video card of this generation, and accordingly I do not support any brand, because of their excessive greed and excessively high markups.

I'm the op and I definitley didn't want my title to be provocative, just wanted to share my thoughts (especially regarding RT finally becoming a thing)

I don't know what to say. That this thread even exists or that it has that title?

We have a 'why hate the 4080?' thread already. We certainly don't need another one that seems designed to either troll, or suck-ass.

I'm the op and my intention was neither to troll nor suck-ass lol. As I wrote in my previous reply, just wanted to raise awareness to RT finally becoming a thing.

Portal is a perfect example - it's something that was done quickly and relatively cheaply by a few people with minimal effort compared to a full game release -- and it's actually great, the game itself is fun and the graphics are awesome. As of now, ReMix has enabled my kids to try one of my liked games (portal --they're still too young for quake 2), and me to replay it with amazing lighting and graphics. That's something that wasn't possible before.

During the Covid card apocalypse Cyberpunk had just come out, and there was no 3 series cards to be had under like $1500 where I was - I really wanted to play it on my 4k big screen tv and I still had my 2080ti (which I kept for over 2 years) and at the end of its life I was playing Cyberpunk at 4k tweaked settings with DLSS 2 on + sharpening filter, and it was a game changer. It's not something people who were shelling out $1400 for a 6900xt could even do - they were stuck at 50 under FPS.

Point is features that enable you to do things you couldn't do before are valuable. I agree with the OP -- the 4080 feature set is valuable, RT is valuable, and DLSS3 works really well (tried it in witcher3, portal, and flight sim) that will massively extend the life of this card.

btw, u should also try Crysis 3 Remastered. Absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Vayra86]

Nvidia is enabling content creators to make their own games. RT is really just another step to that - imagine not having to know anything about lighting or materials and still be able to make stuff because you have a studio that does it for you.

The best RT implementations are remasters right now, and I can see that trend continuing as there are a ton of old games that would absolutely make a ton of money on the market with minimal effort.

This is really sarcasm and serious all in one. Well played. Though I see the point you're making, the barrier to make content could go down. Emphasis on could. People employ studios for that today.

And its sad, sad state of affairs, too, when put like this What's wrong with not automating everything and actually getting talent on board? This reeks of fast food.

I don't know what to say. That this thread even exists or that it has that title?

We have a 'why hate the 4080?' thread already. We certainly don't need another one that seems designed to either troll, or suck-ass.

I don't know, its neat the perspective is turned around as the OP here. But yeah. Same purpose and probably end result.

An interesting point though; when is something mainstream? What defines it. Gaming is so diverse now. You can game in 4K on a phone.

 

[AusWolf]

Nope.

The 3080 will be remembered as the card that only a handful few bought for a year due to covid and crypto mining, then only became a good value after the 40-series launched.

The 4080 will be remembered as the card that no one bought because it was way too expensive for what it was. It represents Nvidia's hubris in every conceivable way.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

RTfinally becoming a thing.

Overdone! I do not agree! The earliest generation of hardware with meaningful RT features will hit the market no earlier than 2026, and even that's a pretty optimistic forecast. I'm even betting on the period 2028-2030 (if keeping the current two-year cadence) to have time to prepare and start using GDDR8 VRAM. Also for the presentation and implementation of the next generation of graphics engines, because there is a lot to ask from the software as well. RT is not the only near future target. The time for high-quality, full-color, and dynamic holography is approaching around end of decade.

 

[ARF]

Nope.

The 3080 will be remembered as the card that only a handful few bought for a year due to covid and crypto mining, then only became a good value after the 40-series launched.

The 4080 will be remembered as the card that no one bought because it was way too expensive for what it was. It represents Nvidia's hubris in every conceivable way.

My brother is a miner and got several 3080s that he sold later. You could buy it if you are patient and include your name in the waiting list of a retailer.
The good thing about it is that it was very fast, so fast that there was literally no difference with the higher siblings - 3090, 3090 Ti...

Now, 4080 is another tier compared to 4090, and there is literally no sane initiative for any gamer to own it because of terrible price-performance value.

 

[Vayra86]

and DLSS3 works really well (tried it in witcher3, portal, and flight sim) that will massively extend the life of this card.

As long as you keep getting that fine fine per game support for it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I agree but I never considered it mainstream. I don't remember the exact msrp at the time but it was much more enthusiastic than the 4080 is today, in a broader economic and an unfortunately inflationary way.


I promise you - Try a 4080, and you'll change your mind. Saying this after playing The Witcher 3, Crysis 3 remastered, and Miles Morales. Coming from a 3080 I was sure that RT is overhyped, but it simply isn't and the 4080 proves that.

Your overhyped, funny thread love it.

 

[Psychoholic]

I love my 4080, although i wouldnt call it historic, it is very nice.. The price is a bit much, sure.. but if you're willing to pay it, might as well enjoy it.
Hell i might buy a 7900 XTX Too for the hell of it.. i like the achievements of both.

Sure, i dont need a $1200 piece of tech, but i dont need a $70K vehicle either.. it is what it is, and all relative.

 

[alon123A]

Overdone! I do not agree! The earliest generation of hardware with meaningful RT features will hit the market no earlier than 2026, and even that's a pretty optimistic forecast. I'm even betting on the period 2028-2030 (if keeping the current two-year cadence) to have time to prepare and start using GDDR8 VRAM. Also for the presentation and implementation of the next generation of graphics engines, because there is a lot to ask from the software as well. RT is not the only near future target. The time for high-quality, full-color, and dynamic holography is approaching around end of decade.

My 4080 disagrees after playing The Witcher 3 with full RT on 90 fps - A mind blowing experience.

I love my 4080, although i wouldnt call it historic, it is very nice.. The price is a bit much, sure.. but if you're willing to pay it, might as well enjoy it.
Hell i might buy a 7900 XTX Too for the hell of it.. i like the achievements of both.

Sure, i dont need a $1200 piece of tech, but i dont need a $70K vehicle either.. it is what it is, and all relative.

Anyone buying a 7900 XTX is making a mistake because of the poor RT performance. The worst thing about it is that I'm sure in 3 years time, after upgrading, any 7900 owner will feel bad for what they've lost all this time.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

@alon123A Wrong , not one car one could buy, quite possibly 2 if not more for the price of nVidia's rtx4080/Rtx4090.

 

[ARF]

My 4080 disagrees after playing The Witcher 3 with full RT on 90 fps - A mind blowing experience.


Anyone buying a 7900 XTX is making a mistake because of the poor RT performance. The worst thing about it is that I'm sure in 3 years time, after upgrading, any 7900 owner will feel bad for what they've lost all this time.

RT is a hoax. You don't need it.

 

[Auer]

RT is a hoax. You don't need it.

Very fun and enjoyable hoax. But by all means, abstain.

 

[ARF]

Very fun and enjoyable hoax. But by all means, abstain.

It would cause me grey hairs because of the performance drop, lag and stutter...

 

[phanbuey]

@alon123A Wrong , not one car one could buy, quite possibly 2 if not more for the price of nVidia's rtx4080/Rtx4090.

A corolla with 115K miles from 2015 is going for like $16K here, what used cars are you buying?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

What's wrong with not automating everything and actually getting talent on board?

*gasp* a game studio with talent! Novel Idea!

 

[ARF]

A corolla with 115K miles from 2015 is going for like $16K here, what used cars are you buying?

That's quite expensive for what you get - a Japanese rust box.
Maybe Audi A4 from 2000 could cost around $1K.

 

[AusWolf]

My brother is a miner and got several 3080s that he sold later. You could buy it if you are patient and include your name in the waiting list of a retailer.
The good thing about it is that it was very fast, so fast that there was literally no difference with the higher siblings - 3090, 3090 Ti...

Now, 4080 is another tier compared to 4090, and there is literally no sane initiative for any gamer to own it because of terrible price-performance value.

I'm not putting my name on a waiting list for any overpriced piece of junk, thanks. List or not, graphics cards were all overpriced back then. If your brother was a miner, that's a different story as he earned the money back. Besides, only Evga had their own list, and only in the US. There were no lists here in the UK.

You're right that it isn't noticeably slower than the 3090 - that's why it's a good value now. But it wasn't back then.

I agree about the 4080.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

with full RT

What is full RT? I'll make popcorn and wait for answer

 

[Psychoholic]

Now, 4080 is another tier compared to 4090, and there is literally no sane initiative for any gamer to own it because of terrible price-performance value.

So, the 4080 (which costs less per frame than the 4090) is a bad value, but the 4090 is not?

the math doesn't add up here.

They are both arguably bad value, high end products always are, that's just how it goes.

 

[erocker]

I don't find a card that can run RT good to be historic. If anything that's a better case for the 4090. The 4080 is historic in its ridiculous price.

 

[chrcoluk]

I believe the 3080 will forever be remembered as the card that got 4K mainstream, and the 4080 will forever be remembered as the card that got ray tracing mainstream.
What do you guys think?

RT cant be considered mainstream with the tiny amount of games that have it, there is a lot more games than the small amount tech sites review.

Now i am been fair I dont mean all the old games released pre RT, but I mean all the games released now which dont implement RT which is still the majority of games..

For me the last card Nvidia released which seems to have anything resembling memorable is perhaps the 1080ti. Its end of life huge price drop caused a flood of purchases.

 

[AusWolf]

RT cant be considered mainstream with the tiny amount of games that have it, there is a lot more games than the small amount tech sites review.

Now i am been fair I dont mean all the old games released pre RT, but I mean all the games released now which dont implement RT which is still the majority of games..

For me the last card Nvidia released which seems to have anything resembling memorable is perhaps the 1080ti. Its end of life huge price drop caused a flood of purchases.

Pascal was an amazing series altogether (except for the DDR4 1030). Turing only added RT and DLSS to the formula and increased prices. It's all smoke and mirrors on the hype train after that.

 

[maxfly]

I love it when a nitwit says something like, every 7900xtx owner will regret their decision because of its RT performance... because every 3090/ti owner most certainly feels the same way about RT performance suddenly being in the toilet. You know, cuz 4090.
Smart stuff.

 

[phanbuey]

I love it when a nitwit says something like, every 7900xtx owner will regret their decision because of its RT performance... because every 3090/ti owner most certainly feels the same way about RT performance suddenly being in the toilet. You know, cuz 4090.
Smart stuff.

Nobody is saying that. If anything the 7900xtx has a ton of driver headroom and will age like the 6900xt (very well).

it’s just not substantially cheaper for what it is than the 4080 given aibs start at $1100