Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[Vayra86]

The mining craze was end of 2017 and 2018, but their margins were in the high 50s (close to 60%) from way before that. I don't see any rapid change (besides 2024). Im not arguing here, I as too curious to know. It's without a doubt that their profit margins went way up between 2010 and 2015, but after that it seems like they flatlined a bit.

True... mining sort of coincided with Pascal, as the SKUs were still releasing into 2017, including refreshes like the 1080's with faster VRAM; it was when those updated models got released that I bought a 1080 (not with faster VRAM, you could just OC it anyway lol) at the lowest possible price you could get it, shortly after, the world exploded and GPUs got scarce and pricing went into scalper territory.

The point being, first they had their markup and then mining made another pass over the products, further inflating their pricing. At the same time, Pascal chips were tiny, yields were good, the shrink and the efficiency boost from GPU Boost 2.0 made it all work. Nvidia had a great gen here, and so did buyers. Everyone was winning, really, and even Nvidia still got a fantastic margin out of it. After that, things went downhill, Nvidia kept its margin target, but the nodes got shrunk every time. I won't deny those nodes are more expensive, but realistically, Nvidia was riding the wave just fine on a 30% margin as well.

They could easily make a decent no power connector card... I agree, its a shame they don't.

Guessing they might do it with a 5050 but I'm not holding my breath more likely to go the BS 4060 6G route lol

The 50/50 .... that's just asking for a dual release, one 2 slot fat boi and a slim one that's 50% smaller...

Also it needs a 50 Cent promotion on the backplate or the box.

 

[Bomby569]

lots of complaining before everyone starts pre ordering, no one can even get one for weeks and scalpers can even sell them for more

Me going to see most of PC specs of those complaining about prices and finding they all have high end cards

 

[N/A]

lots of complaining before everyone starts pre ordering, no one can even get one for weeks and scalpers can even sell them for

The first 3-6 months is no good as the price will gradually drop from 135% to 105% MSRP, 30% markup. And then if you managed to save up it's too late, the Supers are imminent in 9 months. So prepare to be scalped.

 

[Bomby569]

The first 3-6 months is no good as the price will gradually drop from 135% to 105% MSRP, 30% markup. And then if you managed to save up it's too late, the Supers are imminent in 9 months. So prepare to be scalped.

in my country even the stores scalp the cards, and bait you with cheaper models that are never in stock and "notify when available" features that never works when you go to buy so you say "ok i give up and i'll just buy that one for 150% MSRP, such a good deal".

 

[the54thvoid]

Thread temporarily closed while I remove the off-topic interference.

To remind you all, this is a thread about:


Next Gen GPU prices.

 

[Sir Beregond]

I am hoping for $999 RTX 5080 with a 24GB 5080 Super later on maybe up to $1200.

Realistically I bet it will be more like $1200 5080 and whatever for the 5080 Super.

 

[x4it3n]

while I personally think they will actually price it at 2000 usd. It still wouldn't surprise me if the bumped it up to 2200. The same generation you are talking about they bumped the 4080 by 70% vs the 3080 for 50% more performance even with a die almost half the size with the other major difference being 16GB of vram.... So you never know....

Yes but it was the x80 tier that they raised by 50%, not the x90. They made the x90 a much better value ($1600 vs $1200) therefore more people, bought the 4090. Their strategy is definitely to have more people buy x90 GPUs so they can grow their margins even more.

 

[chrcoluk]

prices for top end 5000 80/90 series I expect to be painful.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes but it was the x80 tier that they raised by 50%, not the x90. They made the x90 a much better value ($1600 vs $1200) therefore more people, bought the 4090. Their strategy is definitely to have more people buy x90 GPUs so they can grow their margins even more.

It's why I think a more modest 2000 usd is likely 33% more vram 50% more performance for 25% more money......

 

[Frick]

I couldn't afford a top-level gaming PC without taking on debt ... which is a terrible idea for some entertainment, and no one should ever do, imo.

That really depends on how you look on it, and how much money you have to spend. Spend €1000 today or €1100 spread out over let's say two years. What is the better option? Spending X months saving up for it, or spending a bit extra to get the thing you know you'll use and enjoy right now instead of X months into the future? Obviously the best option is to just have the money ready, but that is a luxury afforded by a very few. You have to know what you're doing, but I am absolutely in favour of getting a thing I know I will use now rather and thus over a period of time making it cost a bit more rather than saving up for it. I have been in situations where I literally don't have any bedsheets, or whole socks, or whole pants, and I can't afford to buy them all at once, but you know what I can afford? €10 monthly payments!The system is designed to reward the people with money with more money and punish people without money by taking away the money they do have.

Also, "some entertainment"? That is literally what the entirety of the world and our existance is about. How much of the global economy is about entertainment? What do you do to relax? What do you do to tune out the horrors of living in the year of our lord 2025? The world is dying, and so are you and all your relatives and friends, what do you do with the time you have? Something grand? Something that will put you in the history books? Something meaningful? Then you'll have to define the term "meaninful" and I will argue against anything you say.

 

[Scattergrunt]

lots of complaining before everyone starts pre ordering, no one can even get one for weeks and scalpers can even sell them for more

Me going to see most of PC specs of those complaining about prices and finding they all have high end cards

If this was just some other type of product, like a TV, or a console (just some random examples), it'd be simpler to vote with your wallets. But GPU's are important to productivity workloads. and most higher end workloads I've seen are very much in favor of NVIDIA for productivity it seems. Of course AMD cards are still up there, especially the best at the moment, but I've noticed most productivity workloads, independent or not use NVIDIA. AMD seems to become rarer and rarer nowadays, with only their high end cards really popping up for productivity anymore. If NVIDIA GPU's remain the top dog for productivity then I doubt anything is gonna change even if enthusiasts and regular consumers vote with their wallets. Companies too big now. And honestly despite what some people think, gamers are not the biggest factor to sales anymore. Unfortunately so.

Of course, I might be wrong. (God, I hope so.) This is just going off sketchy memory here so take it with a mountain of salt obviously. I really should drink some coffee after I post this.

I'll be checking later just incase I'm not spreading some fud because im very tired.

 

[chrcoluk]

I assume reviewers will do the same and not even talk about price to performance, its what most people consider when buying a GPU, at least those buying in the mid range.
And I wouldn't even be disappointed if AMD does leave the dGPU market at this point, it doesn't make any financial sense to keep trying, then the media and the loud Nvidia fans keep influencing gamers to buy the Ngreedia card.

Nvidia fans had better brace their wallets for a $2500+ 5090, more realistically at least $3000 because of the 32GB of VRAM, and I'm sure Nvidia will put the AI tax on it with the rumors of new AI features, which will probably only be available on the RTX 50 series. And I'll say it again because the Nvidia fans always ignore it, it isn't the fault of the competition when Nvidia buyers will keep buying Nvidia no matter what the leather jacket man does.
There is no bloodbath though, Nvidia fans have already gotten their wish after ridiculing the competition, of having no competition at all.

Reviewers do have a history of that yeah, we seen it when motherboard prices had their first big jump, it was basically ignored and still is the most part, we seen it during the Ampere scalping season where in the early days they insisted on using MSRP, they can be inconsistent in this area, as AMD did get pulled up regarding their 9000 series CPU launch.

A bad price can make a good product a bad one. RTX 4080 for 1199USD wasn't swallowable at all, couple of months later the 4080 Super for 999 was so many times out of stock...at this level it's just a monopoly game, no one is winning except for nV, or if you can land an epic deal on a card through some system of points, rewards, cash-back, you name i.t

Nailed that, I wasnt even considering a 4080, but did end up buying a super as the price was more sensible. What also influenced me is I believed the 5000 series would be even more of a power hog and more expensive. Similar reasons that made me buy a 3080 FE, I try to jump in when is pricing dips.

 

[AusWolf]

That really depends on how you look on it, and how much money you have to spend. Spend €1000 today or €1100 spread out over let's say two years. What is the better option? Spending X months saving up for it, or spending a bit extra to get the thing you know you'll use and enjoy right now instead of X months into the future? Obviously the best option is to just have the money ready, but that is a luxury afforded by a very few. You have to know what you're doing, but I am absolutely in favour of getting a thing I know I will use now rather and thus over a period of time making it cost a bit more rather than saving up for it. I have been in situations where I literally don't have any bedsheets, or whole socks, or whole pants, and I can't afford to buy them all at once, but you know what I can afford? €10 monthly payments!The system is designed to reward the people with money with more money and punish people without money by taking away the money they do have.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against loans, credit, delayed payments and whatnot. But I have one principle: if you can't afford, or don't want to afford saving up for it, then you shouldn't take credit on it either.

I could tap into my savings and get a 4090 for £1,600, easy. Or just pay £1,800 across X months. Not a problem. But why should I when that £1,800 could get me so much more in terms of a holiday with a missus, for example? Something that I'll remember for a lifetime, not just a toy that I'll discard in a few years anyway. Going away on that holiday and buying the 4090 as well is out of the question, so the choice is simple. My monthly payments for the card would also make sure that saving up for that holiday isn't a possibility anymore, or that I could save way less per month for X amount of time, which is also something I don't want to do.

TL,DR: My budget for a GPU is around £500, and not because that's the maximum I can afford, but because that's the maximum that I can comfortably afford without sacrificing my savings or other areas of my life.

 

[x4it3n]

It's why I think a more modest 2000 usd is likely 33% more vram 50% more performance for 25% more money......

Yeah imo $1900 or $2000 would be a "good" price. But $2500 doesn't make any sense if they want to sell a lot of them...
On the other hand Nvidia could release a 5090 Ti / TITAN Blackwell in 2026 with a full GB202 (192SM) or 190SM (for better yields) and 36Gbps GDDR7 chips with 3GB capacity to increase the VRAM to 48GB, and then sell that one for $2400 or $2500

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That really depends on how you look on it, and how much money you have to spend. Spend €1000 today or €1100 spread out over let's say two years. What is the better option? Spending X months saving up for it, or spending a bit extra to get the thing you know you'll use and enjoy right now instead of X months into the future? Obviously the best option is to just have the money ready, but that is a luxury afforded by a very few. You have to know what you're doing, but I am absolutely in favour of getting a thing I know I will use now rather and thus over a period of time making it cost a bit more rather than saving up for it. I have been in situations where I literally don't have any bedsheets, or whole socks, or whole pants, and I can't afford to buy them all at once, but you know what I can afford? €10 monthly payments!The system is designed to reward the people with money with more money and punish people without money by taking away the money they do have.

Also, "some entertainment"? That is literally what the entirety of the world and our existance is about. How much of the global economy is about entertainment? What do you do to relax? What do you do to tune out the horrors of living in the year of our lord 2025? The world is dying, and so are you and all your relatives and friends, what do you do with the time you have? Something grand? Something that will put you in the history books? Something meaningful? Then you'll have to define the term "meaninful" and I will argue against anything you say.

Yeah people should only worry about themselves when it comes to money I have a card that offers 24 months no interest on any purchase over 1500 so even if the 5090 was lets say 2500 out the door I could do half up front and then it would be like 52 a month.... I'm not going to tell anyone they should or shouldn't do that. People have to be responsible with their own money.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against loans, credit, delayed payments and whatnot. But I have one principle: if you can't afford, or don't want to afford saving up for it, then you shouldn't take credit on it either.

I could tap into my savings and get a 4090 for £1,600, easy. Or just pay £1,800 across X months. Not a problem. But why should I when that £1,800 could get me so much more in terms of a holiday with a missus, for example? Something that I'll remember for a lifetime, not just a toy that I'll discard in a few years anyway. Going away on that holiday and buying the 4090 as well is out of the question, so the choice is simple. My monthly payments for the card would also make sure that saving up for that holiday isn't a possibility anymore, or that I could save way less per month for X amount of time, which is also something I don't want to do.

TL,DR: My budget for a GPU is around £500, and not because that's the maximum I can afford, but because that's the maximum that I can comfortably afford without sacrificing my savings or other areas of my life.

I agree when there is a 15-30% interest attached to it but if the repayment is interest free I don't see an issue with it. The main thing is disposable income though..... My rule for any singular electronics is that it cost less than a single paycheck.... So far that has been the case but Nvidia looks like they are going to try to push that up a bit lol.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah imo $1900 or $2000 would be a "good" price. But $2500 doesn't make any sense if they want to sell a lot of them...
On the other hand Nvidia could release a 5090 Ti / TITAN Blackwell in 2026 with a full GB202 (192SM) or 190SM (for better yields) and 36Gbps GDDR7 chips with 3GB capacity to increase the VRAM to 48GB, and then sell that one for $2400 or $2500

2200 Still wouldn't surprise me..... If it was still a 24GB card I would lean more towards them wanting to keep that 1600-1800 ish price...... But the die is huge, it's got a ton of GDDR7 on it and AI startups are going to go nuts over it..... as well as the 1% of gamers who can afford it.

 

[Waldorf]

So funny how many are talking about scalpers and things being overpriced, when in the past 10y i haven't paid msrp (for ~70% i even paid less) on any part i bought for me/customers,
short of not even a handful things where i paid "more" (special version/tax/import/shipping).

as long as you dont blindly go to a random side and just order, and have the option to wait if there is no stock, you can easily find stuff at msrp or below.

 

[AusWolf]

Also, "some entertainment"? That is literally what the entirety of the world and our existance is about. How much of the global economy is about entertainment? What do you do to relax? What do you do to tune out the horrors of living in the year of our lord 2025? The world is dying, and so are you and all your relatives and friends, what do you do with the time you have? Something grand? Something that will put you in the history books? Something meaningful? Then you'll have to define the term "meaninful" and I will argue against anything you say.

No, existence isn't about entertainment. Sure, it's important to wind down after a hard day, but entertainment isn't the be-all-end-all of it all. There's also your family. Friends. Nature. Books. Pets. Other hobbies. Whatever. Sure, you can call these all some form of entertainment. My point is that you don't necessarily need a top-of-the-line graphics card to have joy in your life.

What I call "meaningful" is the people you care about and the time you spend together with them. I'm happy to discuss it in greater detail in private, if you're so inclined.

I agree when there is a 15-30% interest attached to it but if the repayment is interest free I don't see an issue with it. The main thing is disposable income though..... My rule for any singular electronics is that it cost less than a single paycheck.... So far that has been the case but Nvidia looks like they are going to try to push that up a bit lol.

I even don't see an issue with a 15-30% interest as long as you can afford it without affecting your daily needs, other hobbies and savings (if you have any). But you shouldn't have to adjust your life to buy something you technically don't need.

 

[x4it3n]

2200 Still wouldn't surprise me..... If it was still a 24GB card I would lean more towards them wanting to keep that 1600-1800 ish price...... But the die is huge, it's got a ton of GDDR7 on it and AI startups are going to go nuts over it..... as well as the 1% of gamers who can afford it.

I agree that they could, but like I said it's a GeForce GPU not a QUADRO or an A.I. GPU with FP64 Cores etc.
The biggest change is definitely the 512-bit bus + GDDR7 but they're still using a similar TSMC node whereas Ampere (Samsung 8nm) => Lovelace TSMC 4N was a much bigger improvement and was a lot more expensive too. Nvidia are already making huge margins/profits and their A.I. chips are selling for $30-40K each. A.I. is their main focus now, not GeForce (unfortunately).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I even don't see an issue with a 15-30% interest as long as you can afford it without affecting your daily needs, other hobbies and savings (if you have any). But you shouldn't have to adjust your life to buy something you technically don't need.

People def have to make that decision for themselves but I wouldn't buy a 2000 usd gpu if I had to put it on a 15-20% interest rate card even if I could afford to make ok payments over 12-18 months.......

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I agree that they could, but like I said it's a GeForce GPU not a QUADRO or an A.I. GPU with FP64 Cores etc.
The biggest change is definitely the 512-bit bus + GDDR7 but they're still using a similar TSMC node whereas Ampere (Samsung 8nm) => Lovelace TSMC 4N was a much bigger improvement and was a lot more expensive too. Nvidia are already making huge margins/profits and their A.I. chips are selling for $30-40K each. A.I. is their main focus now, not GeForce (unfortunately).

While it is using a similar node rumor is it's 22% larger which is gigantic.

Oh yeah TAA is utter trash, thats why I mentioned AA, and will check out that indiana jones game you mentioned.

 

[AusWolf]

People def have to make that decision for themselves but I wouldn't buy a 2000 usd gpu if I had to put it on a 15-20% interest rate card even if I could afford to make ok payments over 12-18 months.......

Well, I wouldn't buy a $2,000 GPU even if I had some random $2,000 laying around in my pocket. This is what I mean by being able to afford something vs being able to afford something comfortably.

Edit: This is how lottery winners lose all of their money and become homeless in a course of a few years. They keep buying expensive shit that they don't need.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well, I wouldn't buy a $2,000 GPU even if I had some random $2,000 laying around in my pocket. This is what I mean by being able to afford something vs being able to afford something comfortably.

For sure..... I did the same thing in 2023 when buying a house sure I could afford 250k more but not spending that means I have way more money month to month those same decision apply to everything really but nobody should be spending money for anyone but themselves is all I was saying.....

 

[AusWolf]

For sure..... I did the same thing in 2023 when buying a house sure I could afford 250k more but not spending that means I have way more money month to month those same decision apply to everything really but nobody should be spending money for anyone but themselves is all I was saying.....

I get 'ya. That's why I'm not buying a house now (or probably ever). Anyway, back to topic...

 

[Waldorf]

@oxrufiioxo
interest/fees are the problem why many in america have debt, buying stuff they cant afford.
usually saving up takes similar amount of "time" (to save up vs paying off) but is still cheaper (no fees), short of some specially offer giving you no additional cost,
but thats usually not the case with most (avg) americans having less than perfect credit rating.

@AusWolf
yet there are many that dont "have" any of that, and/or dont see it as their priority (over "gaming").
besides friends, for the past 10y its basically just me, other relatives (left) are spread over mainly europe/america, and only my retired mom is willing to spend money (travel) to see me,
and the other way around.
for me, i rather spend 1K on a part purchase/take unpaid leave etc, than on the stress of international travel for a week (done it often enough), especially given we have things like mobile phones/video calls
(havent gotten a single txt/email/call from one brother for almost 20y, while he talks to my mom, i dont care to waste time/money with him, short of seeing him at a fam event).

(ahh, finally came around to the want not being a "need" )