Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[oxrufiioxo]

That's the western world in general. People want everything and they want it now, whether they can afford it or not. The number of minimum-wage factory workers with luxury BMWs and Jaguars is astonishing! At the end of the day, we're animals, controlled by our impulses. That's why everyone is in debt.

Oh trust me I know, when I say I wouldn't do something stupid with money what I really mean is my wife would murder me if I did lmao...... Although when it comes to PC parts she thinks they are all pretty cheap.... Perspective I guess, although a 2000+ 5090 would probably test that perspective lol.

I live in a stable rent that's been good to me for years, so I'm not hopeless.

That's not what I meant only that I hope prices get to a point that you can easily buy a home if you so choose same with graphics cards really I hope the 3-500 usd range get's really good and not just the left over cut down to oblivion parts.... Everyone wins if that's the case.

At the 4:07 of that video, wow.. that looks like it came from the future compared to the non RT one. Things like that make me comfortable spending 2k for a GPU. I haven't gotten around to playing the game, but that video convinced me to give it a look, lol.

Honestly it even performs well compared to other path traced games while still looking pretty damn good on mid range hardware. Looks pretty good on console as well.

I'm kinda surprised an MS published game got some much love on the PC version.

 

[AusWolf]

Oh trust me I know, when I say I wouldn't do something stupid with money what I really mean is my wife would murder me if I did lmao...... Although when it comes to PC parts she thinks they are all pretty cheap.... Perspective I guess, although a 2000+ 5090 would probably test that perspective lol.

My missus screams when she hears that I bought something for 200, lol!

Not that she minds, she knows hobbies are expensive, but still. This is why I wouldn't buy something that would affect my lifestyle, even if I could afford it. She deserves a decent life with lots of holidays and adventures together. Not to mention that's a priority over shiny new toys for me too. You'll always remember the good times together, but you won't remember your GPU (you will, but... you know what I mean).

That's not what I meant only that I hope prices get to a point that you can easily buy a home if you so choose same with graphics cards really I hope the 3-500 usd range get's really good and not just the left over cut down to oblivion parts.... Everyone wins if that's the case.

Ah I see, thanks.

About the house, meh, whatevs. If I can buy one (mostly on cash), then I might, but if I can't, no biggie. I have plans for everything.

About $500 GPUs being good, I sure hope so too. No complaints so far (touch wood).

 

[AusWolf]

Really?! Did you actually look closely enough at this still? This is 4:07.

Left is RT Off, right is RT ON. A few areas of note, where the RT implementation actually does a far worse job at rendering correct lighting:

Big box: If you would look into direct sunlight coming out of a dark area, you would have a highly contrasted image and it would certainly not magically add saturation. Sand also isn't yellow. Above the big box, the definition of shadow/darkness is also removed from the stone/cave by the heightened illumination from a light source that is outside the area. But why? Reflecting off sand now? The wood beams suffer from similar issues. If anything, definition is lost in the RT On render, and the whole frame looks overexposed, while the RT Off image also gives us the 'overexposed, getting used to direct sunlight' feel, but keeps it far more realistic. The right image has way too much saturation and looks cartoony.

Long box: The RT implementation automagically added a misplaced ambient occlusion over what it perceived to be a rock sticking out of the sand, but in the RT off shot you can see there is no rock sticking out, the sand is layered over the rock and that shadow should not exist.

Two small boxes: There are two rocks positioned on an identical distance from the light source, but in the RT screenshot the left rock is illuminated from the back but the one beside it, is not, for reasons unknown. On the RT Off shot, they are both lit correctly. This is further underlined by the two rocks in front of them, that are also darkened, in both shots.

Really the most notable difference is the lighting on the weapon, where, again... nothing is achieved here that wouldn't be possible with rasterized lighting, and has already been done too a few thousand times.

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That just means to me that the game was made without RT in mind - RT was merely an afterthought, and wasn't implemented properly. Things might change if/when games get made with RT from the get-go.

 

[Vayra86]

That just means to me that the game was made without RT in mind - RT was merely an afterthought, and wasn't implemented properly. Things might change if/when games get made with RT from the get-go.

Seeing is believing. So far, I'm not a believer. Every single implementation has been lacking in areas, just different areas from a rasterized image, but areas nonetheless. Totally not worth it. Its a gimmick, still. Even the great implementations never feel realistic.

 

[Zach_01]

I agree when there is a 15-30% interest attached to it but if the repayment is interest free I don't see an issue with it. The main thing is disposable income though..... My rule for any singular electronics is that it cost less than a single paycheck.... So far that has been the case but Nvidia looks like they are going to try to push that up a bit lol.

Yeah that is true I can get hardware with monthly payments interest free usuall 3-6months and sometimes even 12months.
In fact its how I bought the 7900XTX, with 12-month interest free (90€/month).
And still the whole price is a small percentage of my annual earnings. And I am not buying PC hardware every gen. This was a 5700XT >> 7900XTX shift.

 

[Sir Beregond]

Yeah imo $1900 or $2000 would be a "good" price. But $2500 doesn't make any sense if they want to sell a lot of them...

Oh they would still sell. The prosumers will buy them up to upgrade their 24GB cards they use now for professional work. Remember this is the same demographic that was used to $2500 Titan RTX's and $3,000 Titan V's.

 

[95Viper]

It was already stated before by another moderator... Stay on topic.
And , the topic is "Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive"

If you wish to discuss other side topics, start an appropriate thread.

 

[eidairaman1]

So funny how many are talking about scalpers and things being overpriced, when in the past 10y i haven't paid msrp (for ~70% i even paid less) on any part i bought for me/customers,
short of not even a handful things where i paid "more" (special version/tax/import/shipping).

as long as you dont blindly go to a random side and just order, and have the option to wait if there is no stock, you can easily find stuff at msrp or below.

Where at?

$1000 is ridiculous for a gpu that is for the consumer, not even a workstation class gpu.

 

[Apocalypsee]

I don't have much hope on green camp but here's hoping on blue and red team for decent pricing. If not, I would buy older gen cards. I don't play much new games but when I buy new card, I wanted it to last a couple of years at least. That means no more 8GB cards.

I just wanted to put into perspective how much these cards priced in Malaysia. I bought my 2060 Super for around RM800 a year and a half ago 2nd hand (it's around RM600-700 if I wanted to buy 2nd hand now), after the card before died, was an ex-miner RTX 3080 which I bought for RM1650 (this card still priced RM1.8K - 2K+ nowadays). If I wanted to buy brand new card, RTX 4070 costs RM2.5k minimum, that is half my basic salary and about the same amount as my monthly double-storey house. RX 7800XT is cheaper about RM200-300, 7700XT is about the same price for some reason, RTX 4070Ti is RM3k+. RTX 3090 still being sell well north of RM3.2k which around 7900GRE brand new price. RTX 4080 Super is the same as my monthly basic salary.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't have much hope on green camp but here's hoping on blue and red team for decent pricing. If not, I would buy older gen cards. I don't play much new games but when I buy new card, I wanted it to last a couple of years at least.

Same here, that's why I'll buy a 9070 XT and call it a day. Knowing my gaming habits and the overall quality of new games (I'm not saying there isn't a hidden gem here or there), it'll probably last me a decade.

 

[JustBenching]

Prices are here to stay and it's only going to get worse sadly, regardless of whether amd competes in the high end or not. Good thing on green camp is resale value, cards keep their prices high - you can sell them used and cover a big % of your next upgrade. Sometime buying something that looks cheaper on paper will end up costing you more due to bad resale value.

 

[Waldorf]

@eidairaman1
CONUS (and common EU countries when looking up things for others.)

 

[x4it3n]

We definitely need more competition from AMD and Intel on all fronts... This is really sad to see a "Monopoly" even though Nvidia make great products as a whole. Prices have gone up a lot since Nvidia released their 1st RTX GPUs...

The GTX 10series were such an amazing value!
GTX 1080 Ti : $700
GTX 1080 : $550
GTX 1070 Ti : $450
GTX 1070 : $400
GTX 1060 : $300

I know we'll never go back to those prices but gosh... this hurts!

 

[Bomby569]

If this was just some other type of product, like a TV, or a console (just some random examples), it'd be simpler to vote with your wallets. But GPU's are important to productivity workloads. and most higher end workloads I've seen are very much in favor of NVIDIA for productivity it seems. Of course AMD cards are still up there, especially the best at the moment, but I've noticed most productivity workloads, independent or not use NVIDIA. AMD seems to become rarer and rarer nowadays, with only their high end cards really popping up for productivity anymore. If NVIDIA GPU's remain the top dog for productivity then I doubt anything is gonna change even if enthusiasts and regular consumers vote with their wallets. Companies too big now. And honestly despite what some people think, gamers are not the biggest factor to sales anymore. Unfortunately so.

Of course, I might be wrong. (God, I hope so.) This is just going off sketchy memory here so take it with a mountain of salt obviously. I really should drink some coffee after I post this.

I'll be checking later just incase I'm not spreading some fud because im very tired.

if the argument is they are abusing on the pricing, delaying the purchase would do the job, no one is saying to not buy a gpu ever again.
I doubt for 90% of the people that are going to buy 5090 and 5080 they couldn't just wait a couple of months, even if it for productivity.

People complain but will be happy to give whatever nvidia asks, it's stupid and real

 

[AusWolf]

We definitely need more competition from AMD and Intel on all fronts...

What we need is people to stop buying expensive shit that they don't need. Everybody cries about prices, but most end up buying the latest x90 Nvidia card on a loan anyway. Why?

 

[JustBenching]

We definitely need more competition from AMD and Intel on all fronts... This is really sad to see a "Monopoly" even though Nvidia make great products as a whole. Prices have gone up a lot since Nvidia released their 1st RTX GPUs...

The GTX 10series were such an amazing value!
GTX 1080 Ti : $700
GTX 1080 : $550
GTX 1070 Ti : $450
GTX 1070 : $400
GTX 1060 : $300

I know we'll never go back to those prices but gosh... this hurts!

And that's because 1$ is not the same as 1$ back in 2015. Im using a platform to order food that keeps track of your orders. Stuff I was buying back in 2018 for 3.6 - 4€ are now at 7-8€. If the price of food has doubled, there is no way in hell we are ever going to see a 550$ XX80 card..

 

[Bomby569]

And that's because 1$ is not the same as 1$ back in 2015. Im using a platform to order food that keeps track of your orders. Stuff I was buying back in 2018 for 3.6 - 4€ are now at 7-8€. If the price of food has doubled, there is no way in hell we are ever going to see a 550$ XX80 card..

that 1080ti would be 900usd adjusted for inflation, it's still a lot cheaper.
But i guess that would be the 5080, and the 5090 could be the titan that was insanely expensive back then

 

[AusWolf]

the 5090 could be the titan that was insanely expensive back then

This. x90 is the new Titan now, it's only that Nvidia wants to market it as a mainstream gaming card so that the masses could buy it, even if its specs and price suggest the exact opposite.

 

[JustBenching]

that 1080ti would be 900usd adjusted for inflation, it's still a lot cheaper.
But i guess that would be the 5080, and the 5090 could be the titan that was insanely expensive back then

Well if we assume that the xx90 is the new titan (im excluding the titan Z), the titan XP was 1200$ bucks. Adjusted for inflation, ain't far over the 4090's msrp.

 

[Scattergrunt]

if the argument is they are abusing on the pricing, delaying the purchase would do the job, no one is saying to not buy a gpu ever again.
I doubt for 90% of the people that are going to buy 5090 and 5080 they couldn't just wait a couple of months, even if it for productivity.

People complain but will be happy to give whatever nvidia asks, it's stupid and real

Back lots of time later. I think we both are getting at a certain angle here, I think what in hindsight is now just an opinion still reigns a bit true. Will agree though that delaying a purchase is best in the end imo. Too many jump onto the 'must have the greatest and best' trend imo as soon as the new, better product is out. I think even if people should do the sensible thing and not buy into something immediately as soon as possible, they're gonna do it anyway. So I guess my opinion isnt totally fud.

 

[Outback Bronze]

This. x90 is the new Titan now

Maybe because there is just pure lack of competition. We had no 4080 Ti or 4090 Ti little alone Titans.

 

[AusWolf]

Maybe because there is just pure lack of competition. We had no 4080 Ti or 4090 Ti little alone Titans.

Nah... I think Nvidia wants to sell their top chips to a wider market. Calling them GeForce instead of Titan makes people think that they're ordinary consumer cards. So far, the deception seems to be working.

 

[eidairaman1]

@eidairaman1
CONUS (and common EU countries when looking up things for others.)

Ok where exactly in the Continental US?

 

[Scattergrunt]

Nah... I think Nvidia wants to sell their top chips to a wider market. Calling them GeForce instead of Titan makes people think that they're ordinary consumer cards. So far, the deception seems to be working.

To be fair they really dug themselves into a hole by calling the 20 series titan card the "RTX Titan", What were they gonna call the 3090 or 3090 ti if it were marketed as a titan class card then? The RTX Titan 2? XP? V? Bullshit Edition? I don't miss the naming scheme of titan at all. But it was definitely a marketing move, I'll agree with you on that

 

[Krit]

More you buy from nvidia dumber it gets over time. But also it could be deliberate leak from nvidia to set up 1200/1300$ (as a great price) Easy manipulation even if it costs 1200/1300$ it's not a great price by any means.