RX 6950XT or RX 6700 XT ?

[A Computer Guy]

The point I was making is everyone loves to talk about future proofing, and points to VRAM, but ignores RT performance which is becoming more and more relevant, to the level that new game engines use it as the default lighting implementation. So you can't separate "future proofed last gen RDNA2" from "RDNA2 is not future proof because it has poor RT", even when you compare 6950xt to a 4070.

You're right about 12 GB being just fine though.

From W1z's recent reviews:
"...not a single game saw a meaningful performance hit with 12 GB, not even at 4K"

RT is often used with DLSS-1/2/3 to keep frame times up correct? (I don't have a high powered Nvidia card just asking for clarification)

Does AMD's equivalent (I forgot what it was called) not do the same thing for RT?

 

[dgianstefani]

RT is often used with DLSS-1/2/3 to keep frame times up correct? (I don't have a high powered Nvidia card just asking for clarification)

Does AMD's equivalent (I forgot what it was called) not do the same thing for RT?

It can, but it's still slower, and it's generally understood that DLSS is better than FSR, plus AMD don't have a DLSS 3.0 equivalent. There's also the option of running DLAA for superior image quality over native, or just running native with RT, which is more than possible at good frame rates in many games. Cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing is the only game where DLSS is currently required when enabling max RT (unless you're happy with 30 FPS).

Frame Generation (a component of DLSS 3) can double frame rates over DLSS 2, and more than double vs native (DLSS AI upscaling + Frame generation), Reflex is used to keep frame time and latency at the same or better than native.

You can check TPU's game testing for FSR, DLSS, XeSS comparisons. There's an option to enable DLAA as well, so you can compare that vs native.

TechPowerUp

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Speedyblupi]

RT is often used with DLSS-1/2/3 to keep frame times up correct? (I don't have a high powered Nvidia card just asking for clarification)

Does AMD's equivalent (I forgot what it was called) not do the same thing for RT?

DLSS and ray tracing aren't directly linked. DLSS upscaling can give a similar performance uplift when ray tracing is disabled as when ray tracing is enabled, it's just that DLSS is generally most useful at low frame rates (where performance is most needed) and at high resolutions (where upscaling is most efficient and accurate). Ray tracing has a very high performance cost, especially at high resolutions; so ray tracing at high resolutions is an ideal situation to use DLSS, but it can also often be worth using DLSS without ray tracing.
AMD's competing upscaling technology (FSR) works similarly to DLSS, but doesn't use AI, and generally has slightly worse image quality, though it has the advantage of being supported on a much wider range of hardware. FSR works on basically all GPUs, including Nvidia and Intel GPUs; DLSS only works on Nvidia GPUs with tensor cores.

 

[redeye]

Hi, i try to build a new pc only for gaming and why not a little bit of streaming (1400-1500€ ), Problem is i don't know nothing about this.

In search for some gpu, i find the 6950xt attractive but the card seems huge and power hungry. In the other hand some friends advice me to pick the 6700 instead and buy a real good cpu with it (ryzen7 78003d)
Like i said it's only for gaming (1440p mostly 4k if possible). So do you think 6950 xt is good and i should buy that with a cpu that fit in my budget? or buy the 6700 xt less expensive and use the saved money to buy the super good cpu?

Thx.

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cpu does not matter. you will gain more FPS buying a better GPU. it is that cost is the determinant. i would say swing for the 7900xtx your wallet (OR CC) will be “unhappy”, but you will be so happy, even if is overpowered for your common scenario… (double or triple the cost though)… but back in the real world (lol)…

the 6950xt vs 6750xt are in different performance categories… 6750 40Cu, 6950 80cu. although 6750xt max power is 255watts (on my 6750xt, 3dmark speedway stress test. ) the spec for 6950xt is 330 watts… so the 6950xt is not twice as fast even if it has double the CU’s. BUT, NO question that it is faster. i want to FORGET about nvidia… i.e. what is better a 3060 at 395, or a 6700xt at 460?… well a 3060 can do cp2077 at 1080p 58.4fps while the 6700xt can do the same thing at 1440p…or 55.6fps. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt/11.html
a 6750xt is a better 6700xt because the 6750xt has 18000 ram. (imo, all gpu’s should have 18000ram or faster…)

but the 3060 HAS DLSS! (sarcasm?)

get a 6950xt if your budget allows (870 here, or 540 for a 6750… significant cost differential… but also speed differential)

only caveat is that if you have a true gsync monitor (not a gsync compatible, or freesync monitor) you need to buy nvidia. f’n Nvidia, charge a premium, and not allow it to work on an AMD gpu (BTW, i used a gtx980, gtx2080, and gtx1660ti before my 6750xt. )
i use my 4k freesync monitor now, so not many problems (only that my GPU needs to be a 7900xtx lol)

SO buy a 6750xt.

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here is 4k, ran superposition; gives you an idea...

and the other card. (6750xt) i would have bought the 6950xt at 869, but it was not available at that price in february 2023, so i bought a 6750xt.

 

[Vayra86]

No.

16 GB (slow) RAM.

Non X3D CPU.

Probably cheapo cooling, motherboard, power supply and case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxmKFg

Top tier PSU, good RAM, good cooling, good SSD, good case, great CPU and GPU. SFF as a bonus (you can swap the case for a smaller one if you like).

Of course, this is dollars, but Euros should be similar, since things are slightly more expensive in Europe, but the Euro is worth slightly more than the USD, and we don't know where you live to look for parts.

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@Arcar
I like this post. Nice fit in 1600 bucks and with a 50% spend on GPU well balanced too. If this GPU gets sold two years down the line for the latest greatest, this will work mighty fine. Or you can ride it until it starts giving you problems. You can also knock it down to 4070 to go within your stated budget.

Alternatively, you can go 7900XT at similar price for more raster, less RT perf. That's really what we're looking at. The more raster and >12GB will carry it longer, until you might find faster RT desirable. But whether that is the case, is a total question mark today. There is a very substantial chance new engines will deliver RT all GPUs can carry comfortably, because these engines are also used for console game dev. Its highly interesting to base your purchase decisions on the console lifecycles. The gist of the RT perspective is: its still in early adoption phases. Stakeholders are adjusting to it, not comfortable with it.

Another alternative is the above base with a 6700XT at a mere 300 bucks, leaving you 500 to play with while doing 99% of all games perfectly fine at 1080p, 1440p. That is the path of buying time to see where the next GPU release lands 2 years from now and then considering to spend big(ger). This takes into account the console lifecycle best, because we're at the end of one now or in the next couple of years.

 

[Speedyblupi]

The point I was making is everyone loves to talk about future proofing, and points to VRAM, but ignores RT performance which is becoming more and more relevant, to the level that new game engines use it as the default lighting implementation. So you can't separate "future proofed last gen RDNA2" from "RDNA2 is not future proof because it has poor RT", even when you compare 6950xt to a 4070.

It is important to remember that ray tracing is quite VRAM-intensive though. While the RX 6700 XT's ray tracing hardware is a lot weaker than the RTX 4060 Ti, it still manages to outperform the 4060 Ti in some ray traced games because the 4060 Ti is crippled by only having 8GB VRAM.
When looking at ray tracing performance for the sake of "future proofing", the RT cores and VRAM capacity should both be considered, as the VRAM requirements of next-gen games with ray tracing will only increase.
The RTX 4070 has a good balance of acceleration hardware and VRAM capacity for current games, and is probably the best GPU to buy in this price range if ray tracing is your priority (except maybe if you find a heavily-discounted RTX 3090 and don't care about its terrible efficiency), but I would worry that it might not be sufficient for ray tracing in new games in 2-4 years due to VRAM. I think it would probably be ok, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Arcar]

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

 

[R0H1T]

It can, but it's still slower, and it's generally understood that DLSS is better than FSR, plus AMD don't have a DLSS 3.0 equivalent.

AMD's equivalent is FSR 3 & IIRC they'll release it this year?

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[Vayra86]

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

Take a look at the post two higher above you, I linked dgianstefani's build... because its a very capable option. Or below link:

RX 6950XT or RX 6700 XT ?

I really wonder what the GPU util would be on thát CPU. Lol. 15%? Stay chooned, dude. My engineering sample is as underclockable as it gets. @Vayra86, this is my RKL ES downsized from 8 to 2 cores. At 3.9 GHz it's probably even worse than an FX-8350. The GPU is RX 6700 XT which is at least 2...

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Also sorry for the heated discussions / static there.

 

[R0H1T]

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

You'll lose out on some GPU performance but it's more future proof because of AM5 & the best "gaming" CPU out there.

Flip a coin if you will, both GPU's are better VFM than most Nvidia counterparts.

 

[Vayra86]

You'll lose out on some GPU performance but it's more future proof because of AM5 & the best "gaming" CPU out there.

Flip a coin if you will, both GPU's are better VFM than most Nvidia counterparts.

Plus its better / more value for money to get a strong platform and uograde the gpu several times on it.

 

[Macro Device]

the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d

This. Changing a GPU is buying a new one and selling an old one (or just leaving in your garage just in case), whereas changing the whole platform requires way more effort. 5800X3D is the end of AM4, and 7800X3D is the beginning of AM5. 6700 XT makes all the sense in the world if you play 1080p with a bit RT or 1440p RT completely off, or 4K but lower settings/older titles. Save money for a year, buy a beast of a GPU if you want to, or if you don't you can spend this money any other way. You won't feel like your GPU is WEAK. It's just not ideal.

 

[dgianstefani]

It is important to remember that ray tracing is quite VRAM-intensive though. While the RX 6700 XT's ray tracing hardware is a lot weaker than the RTX 4060 Ti, it still manages to outperform the 4060 Ti in some ray traced games because the 4060 Ti is crippled by only having 8GB VRAM.
When looking at ray tracing performance for the sake of "future proofing", the RT cores and VRAM capacity should both be considered, as the VRAM requirements of next-gen games with ray tracing will only increase.
The RTX 4070 has a good balance of acceleration hardware and VRAM capacity for current games, and is probably the best GPU to buy in this price range if ray tracing is your priority (except maybe if you find a heavily-discounted RTX 3090 and don't care about its terrible efficiency), but I would worry that it might not be sufficient for ray tracing in new games in 2-4 years due to VRAM. I think it would probably be ok, but I wouldn't count on it.

Er... No. The 6700 XT is between 10 and 30% slower than the 4060 Ti in RT depending on resolution. This gets worse if you take heavier RT implementations.

There's no universe where having more VRAM makes up for having no dedicated RT hardware, sorry.

AMD's equivalent is FSR 3 & IIRC they'll release it this year?

AMD FSR 3 FidelityFX Super Resolution Technology Unveiled at GDC 2023

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So they claim, but they only talked about FSR3 a month after DLSS 3 was revealed. Plus AMD doesn't have an optical flow accelerator or equivalent, unlike Ada, so it will probably be the same or worse situation than DLSS vs FSR, I.e. One has dedicated hardware and AI acceleration and the other doesn't, leading to predictable quality results.

Plus no demo or even mention has happened re FSR 3 in all the trade shows and releases since, not even an update.

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

Both are bad options compared to:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxmKFg

But if you insist on picking between those two, 7800X3D is better.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

The 6950 XT and 5800X3D combination will give better performance in most games because of the significantly more powerful GPU, but the 7800X3D gives you a better upgrade path because you could swap to a more powerful graphics card without bottlenecking it, and you could swap to a Ryzen 8000-series or 9000-series CPU (once they launch) without having to replace your motherboard or RAM.
I would personally choose the 7800X3D, but try to get an RX 6800. It's significantly faster than the RX 6700 XT but often not a lot more expensive.

For RAM, most games benefit more from low latency than high bandwidth, and a high-end DDR4 kit (e.g. 2x16GB 4000 CL18 Samsung B-die) will typically give similar total latency to a similarly-priced DDR5 kit (e.g. 2x16GB 6000 CL32 Hynix A-die); but the DDR5 will have much higher bandwidth, which is useful in some games. Spider-Man Remastered benefits a lot from high RAM bandwidth, for example. Older games tend to not benefit much from higher bandwidth. RAM speed is relatively less important for the X3D CPUs, because the extremely low latency and high bandwidth of their Vcache can partially compensate for slow RAM, but DDR5 would still be a bit better for gaming overall. It's arguably a moot point with Ryzen though, because which CPU you choose will determine what RAM you can use, unlike with Intel 12th or 13th gen Core where you get a choice.

 

[R0H1T]

So they claim, but they only talked about FSR3 a month after DLSS 3 was revealed. Plus AMD doesn't have an optical flow accelerator or equivalent, unlike Ada, so it will probably be the same or worse situation than DLSS vs FSR, I.e. One has dedicated hardware and AI acceleration and the other doesn't, leading to predictable quality results.

Plus no demo or even mention has happened re FSR 3 in all the trade shows and releases since, not even an update.

Yes just last like gen, then AMD will likely have something for RDNA4 ~ the saving grace being that there will be probably be more FSR titles in the future.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Er... No. The 6700 XT is between 10 and 30% slower than the 4060 Ti in RT depending on resolution. This gets worse if you take heavier RT implementations.

There's no universe where having more VRAM makes up for having no dedicated RT hardware, sorry.

Er... yes.

In hindsight I should have provided a source with my initial claim. It's true though. The RX 6700 XT is usually 10-30% slower than the 4060 Ti at RT, but outliers exist where the 4060 Ti is cripped by VRAM limitations and the RX 6700 XT beats it, often by a significant margin. This is currently a tiny minority of games, but this minority will get larger as games become more demanding.

Having more VRAM obviously doesn't make up for having no dedicated RT hardware. The RX 6700 XT has RT cores, they're just a lot weaker than Nvidia's. My comment is not about VRAM somehow compensating for weak RT performance, but about requiring enough VRAM to be able to use powerful RT hardware properly. If you have a powerful GPU with insufficient VRAM, it's just a waste of silicon.

 

[dgianstefani]

The 6950 XT and 5800X3D combination will give better performance in most games because of the significantly more powerful GPU, but the 7800X3D gives you a better upgrade path because you could swap to a more powerful graphics card without bottlenecking it, and you could swap to a Ryzen 8000-series or 9000-series CPU (once they launch) without having to replace your motherboard or RAM.
I would personally choose the 7800X3D, but try to get an RX 6800. It's significantly faster than the RX 6700 XT but often not a lot more expensive.

For RAM, most games benefit more from low latency than high bandwidth, and a high-end DDR4 kit (e.g. 2x16GB 4000 CL18 Samsung B-die) will typically give similar total latency to a similarly-priced DDR5 kit (e.g. 2x16GB 6000 CL32 Hynix A-die); but the DDR5 will have much higher bandwidth, which is useful in some games. Spider-Man Remastered benefits a lot from high RAM bandwidth, for example. Older games tend to not benefit much from higher bandwidth. RAM speed is relatively less important for the X3D CPUs, because the extremely low latency and high bandwidth of their Vcache can partially compensate for slow RAM, but DDR5 would still be a bit better for gaming overall. It's arguably a moot point with Ryzen though, because which CPU you choose will determine what RAM you can use, unlike with Intel 12th or 13th gen Core where you get a choice.

You need 8000 MHz DDR5 to come close to tuned B die DDR4.

6000/30 Which is a good kit, has the same latency as 3000/15 DDR4, which is nothing special.

This is why you need an X3D Zen chip to offset the latency problem, which can't be fixed with fast ram, unlike on Intel.

DDR5-8000 CL38 is when it beats out DDR4-4000 CL15 Gear 1 in everything.

Reminds me I need to pit those two against each other with a RTX 4090. God more work for me lol.

4000/15 isn't anything special either, 4266/15 is possible with the right hardware.

DDR5 is still in its early adopter phase, and the AMD implementation isn't great.

Luckily X3D somewhat makes up for that.

Er... yes.

In hindsight I should have provided a source with my initial claim. It's true though. The RX 6700 XT is usually 10-30% slower than the 4060 Ti at RT, but outliers exist where the 4060 Ti is cripped by VRAM limitations and the RX 6700 XT beats it, often by a significant margin. This is currently a tiny minority of games, but this minority will get larger as games become more demanding.

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Having more VRAM obviously doesn't make up for having no dedicated RT hardware. The RX 6700 XT has RT cores, they're just a lot weaker than Nvidia's. My comment is not about VRAM somehow compensating for weak RT performance, but about requiring enough VRAM to be able to use powerful RT hardware properly. If you have a powerful GPU with insufficient VRAM, it's just a waste of silicon.

Ah yes, the very common 4K RT on scenario in a single game.

Certainly representative of what either a 6700XT or 4060 Ti mid ranger will be used for.

Exceptions don't prove rules. 4060 Ti is much better for RT.

 

[basco]

listen to your friends it´s a good suggestion from your first post.
the rest will confuse ya
enjoy

 

[Speedyblupi]

You need 8000 MHz DDR5 to come close to tuned B die DDR4.

6000/30 Which is a good kit, has the same latency as 3000/15 DDR4, which is nothing special.

6000 CL15 and 3000 CL15 have the same CAS latency (both 10ns), but the DDR5's total latency would normally be much lower in practice due to its higher burst length, higher number of bank groups, and same bank refresh. DDR5 uses the longer latency timings less often, so its total latency ends up lower, even when the individual timings (when converted to ns) are the same or slightly longer than for a DDR4 kit.
In Aida64 memory benchmark, DDR5-6000 CL32 and DDR4-4000 CL18 normally have similar total latency, though this can vary depending on how well the kits are tuned, and memory controller ratio.

 

[dgianstefani]

6000 CL15 and 3000 CL15 have the same CAS latency (both 10ns), but the DDR5's total latency would normally be much lower in practice due to its higher burst length, higher number of bank groups, and same bank refresh.
In Aida64 memory benchmark, DDR5-6000 CL32 and DDR4-4000 CL18 normally have similar total latency, though this can vary depending on how well the kits are tuned, and memory controller ratio.

Maybe, but as stated, in actual TPU tests with a 4090 so as to not be gpu limited, you need 8000/38 to start beating an average tuned B die.

Since that isn't possible on Zen 4, it has inherently worse latency for gaming. As stated, X3D is the solution.

 

[basco]

please don´t get to technical and remind yourself where the thread started. i am out

 

[Kapone33]

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

AM5 is better if you plan on upgrading. PCIe 5.0 may not be common but when you build a PC you should think of the next 2 years and you will appreciate having bought the RAM, MB or CPU vs buying everything. Unless you are playing at 4K a 6800 or 6700/50 XT will give you that smile that compelling hardware has. I recently gave my Nephew a 6800 to replace his 2060 and he is overjoyed with the performance. One of the facts about AMD cards are you don't need to use Upscaling to enjoy Gaming but FSR is not as bad as some people claim and the higher you go in GPU tier the less important it is. Besides the 7800X3D is about 15-20% faster than a 5800X3D. If you are looking at DDR5 make sure you buy Expo rated sets to avoid issues. You don't need 6000 MTs/s but look for CAS in the 30s. RAM is not expensive for 32GB at 5200-5600 Mt/s.

 

[Lost_Troll]

Thx you all for all the reply. I will not quote every reply because there is too much but with all of that i think i understand and will forget about the 4k and stay in 1080/1440p range. Now what do you thing is better for a combo gpu/cpu in this resolution : The 6950xt with ryzen 5800x3d (so ddr4) or the 6700xt and ryzen 7 7800x3d (ddr5) ? I don't know whats is the better combo and if i should focus more the ddr5 instead of ddr4.

The 7800X3d build is the better way to go and the only upgrades you will have to do, is CPU and GPU over the next 5 or so years. Now I dont know where you live in the EU, but I picked Belgium as the country I put the build in for the Euro cost PC Part Picker. With the few extra Euros left over, you will still need to add the cost of Windows 10 or 11 and any other small items you may need, like a keyboard/mouse and monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€459.00 @ Amazon Belgium)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Glacier 70 CFM CPU Cooler (€39.95 @ Paradigit)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (€179.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (€110.89 @ Alternate Belgium)
Storage: Crucial P3 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€84.99 @ Amazon Belgium)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card (€381.95 @ Azerty)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€60.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (€116.80 @ Azerty)
Total: €1434.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-03 19:43 CEST+0200

 

[Speedyblupi]

Ah yes, the very common 4K RT on scenario in a single game.

Certainly representative of what either a 6700XT or 4060 Ti mid ranger will be used for.

Exceptions don't prove rules. 4060 Ti is much better for RT.

I never said that it was a rule, or that it was common, just that it sometimes happens.
My point isn't that the RX 6700 XT is better than the 4060 Ti for ray tracing (it isn't, except in a few obscure cases which you normally wouldn't come across in practice), but that VRAM capacity is an important consideration for ray tracing performance. I wouldn't recommend either the RX 6700 XT or the 4060 Ti for ray tracing. IMO the RTX 4070 is the weakest GPU that makes sense for people who care about RT.

 

[dgianstefani]

The 7800X3d build is the better way to go and the only upgrades you will have to do, is CPU and GPU over the next 5 or so years. Now I dont know where you live in the EU, but I picked Belgium as the country I put the build in for the Euro cost PC Part Picker. With the few extra Euros left over, you will still need to add the cost of Windows 10 or 11 and any other small items you may need, like a keyboard/mouse and monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€459.00 @ Amazon Belgium)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Glacier 70 CFM CPU Cooler (€39.95 @ Paradigit)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (€179.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (€110.89 @ Alternate Belgium)
Storage: Crucial P3 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€84.99 @ Amazon Belgium)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card (€381.95 @ Azerty)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€60.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (€116.80 @ Azerty)
Total: €1434.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-03 19:43 CEST+0200

QLC drive...
Lower mid range last gen AMD card...
C36 RAM...
Barely cheaper than the 4070 Ti build I linked...

Hard no from me.

Too many compromises to get that Zen 4 X3D which is only around 20% faster than Zen 3 X3D when tested with a 4090 , with all of the pitfalls of a first gen AMD platform.