Windows 11 24H2 is driving people to Linux

[Kelutrel]

I also have Win11 Pro 24H2 (build 26100.2314 atm) and also zero problems. There are some tiny higher/lower benchmark differences here or there, but zero issues with Sleep or apps.

 

[AVATARAT]

If Linux got a massive influx of users every time I saw the “X Windows version/update is driving people off to Linux” it would already be the second most popular desktop OS, hands down. Surprisingly (not), it doesn’t actually happen. Most people don’t even tweak anything about their Windows installs and definitely aren’t using LTSC editions. And yet they are content.

This!
If people don't customize/tweak/ their Windows, but use it "out of the box" - they have no chance to switch to Linux.

 

[_roman_]

I too have no problems.

I always like those comments. "I do not have any problems" + which is not written + "windows 10" / "windows 11"
(I will not repeat what ... i wrote it elsewhere several times already)

Some stuff is broken. That's a fact. I also experienced some issues with a windows 11 pro gaming only installation.
Feel free to use google translate on pcgameshardware.de -- I think I see on average one "Windows has problem" topic every two weeks average for the past year.

-- I doubt my KC3000 2TB drive, which should be less than a year old, has any issues with the FLASH. Windows 11 pro keeps on "startup" repairing the file system everytime i boot up windows 11 pro.
If so i would see it with my compiling stuff or the file system would quite fast complain (lvm + luks + btrfs)

I dislike seeing broken file or file system - very very sad - it'S windows 11 pro NTFS. Feel free to have a look into xfs / ext2 -> ext3 -> ext4 / reiserfs / btrfs ... to only name a few daily working file system. Feel free to have a look into the concept of lvm2.

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there are other operating systems like those BSD ones, those apple mac os, to name a few alternatives. I doubt people crasp the difference between the linux kernel and the userspace. many devices have a linux kernel but different userspace. Just name what you use - gentoo linux - or name - what you use - linux with openrc with i3wm - or linux with systemd with gnome - or linux with systemd with kde.

If people don't customize/tweak/ their Windows, but use it "out of the box" - they have no chance to switch to Linux.

I see more the problem with the reading skills and patience.
It took me two weeks in 2006 with a laptop to compile a kernel for this gentoo installation I use as of now. It's just about reading and patience.

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Think about a dual boot.
Use the bootloader of the uefi mainboard
keep your stuff separated. games in windows 11 pro / data in your operating system of choice.

 

[TSiAhmat]

Almost no issue with the new Windows Version...

My PC randomly shut downs sometimes (and if it happens several times almost back to back) but i think this is either the Automatic Curve Optimizer on my 5800x or a hardware fault in my system (Hopefully not *Crosses Fingers*)
Since i disabled it, the fault hasn't shown up again.

Also we have to remember that we are in a TECH Forum, most of us are way more willing to try new things out & we are quicker to adapt to new stuff.
Some People i know have problems with iOS, Windows 10 & MacOS, if you would show them CMD/Powershell and/or Linux (i assume) their heads would explode ^^"

 

[AVATARAT]

-- I doubt my KC3000 2TB drive, which should be less than a year old, has any issues with the FLASH. Windows 11 pro keeps on "startup" repairing the file system everytime i boot up windows 11 pro.
If so i would see it with my compiling stuff or the file system would quite fast complain (lvm + luks + btrfs)

Use install flash drive with Windows > cmd > chkdsk /F /(drive) and it will fix it until you use it to check C: on boot again.

 

[kilo]

Some People i know have problems with iOS, Windows 10 & MacOS, if you would show them CMD/Powershell and/or Linux (i assume) their heads would explode ^^"

At work some years ago, I opened a cmd prompt to troubleshoot a minor issue and a user asked if that "was the dark web."

More recently, I used scp to copy a few files between two computers. My wife was looking over my shoulder and was amazed that I "knew how to code."

For many users the biggest hurtle with any command line is a feeling of "Now what do I do next?" But the last 4 years, Linux has come a long way. If I didn't have a weird RAID setup or managed my servers, which most users don't do at home anyway, I wouldn't really ever have to touch terminal anymore.

Edit: grammar.

 

[Vario]

If Windows is a necessity for you, I recommend Win 10 LTSC over 11.

 

[9087125]

If people are stupid enough to blindly support whats happening with windows and all the colossal wrong doing, they can put up with it and they deserve it, no care from me at all.

Windows is a train wreck of epic proportions. Windows 11 is lacking soo much in the art department, it looks like shit on a stick, something that was pulled from a tablet OS, no clue under the sun...no idea on the importance of art in society. The problem is those at MS dont have the artistic skills to save windows and give the OS a good overhaul, its bland unstylish rubbish. They are just going around arbitrarily tweaking stuff in a random manner, they haven't even got the brains to make the explorer windows and folders take advantage of ultra high res large monitors, something I have been complaining about since Vista, so for me just from an art POV windows 11 is disgusting garbage, another wonderful con-job, and I wont have any part of it. Linux is trash too, no clue about art and how to make something look good.

I will never ever tolerate a windows that requires setting up an account, spying the fk on everything you do, installing updates and stuff behind your back, forcing unwarranted blanket polices that compromise your system and cant be tweaked, introducing bloat that invades your privacy.
Never, not in a million years. thank god there's about ten hundred better things in life I can spend my time doing so Im not missing out on much. Games???? haha wake up son.... get a console....PC is dead with the same old repetitive crap after crap, and gpu prices have ruined gaming into the ground, and the fact that all games are ported from console anyway. These wonderful intellects who complain about windows forcing updates. Really????? Not an issue here, my system has none of that stuff and never will. We cant entirely blame MS, its the masses who also are to blame as they are fueling this problem. No pitty whatso all from me.

The tragedy of MS is they actually thrive on turning windows into trash, enshitification to the nth degree, they choose not to fix the limitations and just keep randomly changing stuff, its a train wreak. They have had since windows vista to fix the issues and limitations and they deliberately choose not to, so a line must be drawn to deal with this disgusting shameful behavior.

Windows vista had many problems they never bothered to fix, people said dont worry go 7 its much better, nope its was the same rubbish and had even more problems, come windows 10 and they have deliberately ruined so much of it, they took away the nice aero effects, they took away the wonderful ability to move folder items around freely, they didn't fix the broken al-tab, they didnt fix the broken thumbnails-that they keep deleting periodically NO MATTER WHAT THE HECK YOU DO, these problems ARE STILL PRESENT SINCE WINDOWS FREAKING VISTA, why? why would they do that? the only logical reason is just that, they are toxic arseholes who thrive on making our lives hell, its not incompetence, its deliberate systematic planning.

Its reductio ad absurdum, as absurd as it is to use an older machine with older tech, its even more absurd to be hand puppet to their games.

 

[Bill_Bright]

24H2 has been 100% flawless for me.

Actually, it had problems that wouldn't be solved, until at least the November patch-Tuesday.

I always like those comments. "I do not have any problems" + which is not written + "windows 10" / "windows 11"
(I will not repeat what ... i wrote it elsewhere several times already)

Some stuff is broken. That's a fact.

@RJARRRPCGP and @_roman_ and @9087125 and the other Windows bashers who are insisting W11 is "a train wreck of epic proportions". You guys are missing or ignoring the point.

NOBODY, not me and not Psychoholic or anyone else in this thread said there are "no problems". With over 30+ million lines of code, it would be ridiculous to think or suggest no problems exist.

What we clearly said was "we" experienced no problems. And, despite what you apparently want everyone to believe, that is how it has been for millions of users out there. You can choose to ignore that fact. And you can choose to believe your anecdotal exceptions represent the norm. But the reality is, the vast majority of W11 users are experiencing "NO" problems.

According to which source you listen to, W11 users make up ~30% of the 1.6 billion Windows users. So that is ~480 million W11 users out here.

What some here seem to be forgetting (or choose to ignore) is if just 1% of the Windows11 users out there experience genuine problems, with ~480 million users, that is still 4.8 million upset W11 users. And 4.8 million upset users can make a lot of noise - especially when a single complaint goes viral and is amplified by so many MS and Windows haters. But are there anywhere near that many with actual problems complaining? I don't see them. I only see a tiny handful complaining and most of the complaints are NOT about bugs but rather new features, removed features, or changed settings they don't like.

It amazes me, out of all the companies in the world, and all the product in the world, how some expect, demand and condemn when they don't see 100% perfection with Windows 100% of the time. Yet Apple, the king of proprietary and inflexibility, Facebook and Google, the leading stealers, dealers and wholesale marketers of our personal private information, or Google with its monopolistic grip on searches and targeted ads get passes all the time.

 

[Kapone33]

@RJARRRPCGP and @_roman_ and @9087125 and the other Windows bashers who are insisting W11 is "a train wreck of epic proportions". You guys are missing or ignoring the point.

NOBODY, not me and not Psychoholic or anyone else in this thread said there are "no problems". With over 30+ million lines of code, it would be ridiculous to think or suggest no problems exist.

What we clearly said was "we" experienced no problems. And, despite what you apparently want everyone to believe, that is how it has been for millions of users out there. You can choose to ignore that fact. And you can choose to believe your anecdotal exceptions represent the norm. But the reality is, the vast majority of W11 users are experiencing "NO" problems.

According to which source you listen to, W11 users make up ~30% of the 1.6 billion Windows users. So that is ~480 million W11 users out here.

What some here seem to be forgetting (or choose to ignore) is if just 1% of the Windows11 users out there experience genuine problems, with ~480 million users, that is still 4.8 million upset W11 users. And 4.8 million upset users can make a lot of noise - especially when a single complaint goes viral and is amplified by so many MS and Windows haters. But are there anywhere near that many with actual problems complaining? I don't see them. I only see a tiny handful complaining and most of the complaints are NOT about bugs but rather new features, removed features, or changed settings they don't like.

It amazes me, out of all the companies in the world, and all the product in the world, how some expect, demand and condemn when they don't see 100% perfection with Windows 100% of the time. Yet Apple, the king of proprietary and inflexibility, Facebook and Google, the leading stealers, dealers and wholesale marketers of our personal private information, or Google with its monopolistic grip on searches and targeted ads get passes all the time.

I understand you trust me if it was just the odd shutdown or error I would get it. The thing is how large the problems are for me that I can't ignore it and had to post something. If you know me I don't like to create drama but Windows needs to fix Windows asap. The sleep issue is probably the biggest for me.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I understand you trust me if it was just the odd shutdown or error I would get it. The thing is how large the problems are for me that I can't ignore it and had to post something. If you know me I don't like to create drama but Windows needs to fix Windows asap. The sleep issue is probably the biggest for me.

I am 100% certain you are totally sincere and do not deny you are having problems. As I said, no doubt there are problems. And posting about them in places like TPU can help determine if you are the only one with those problems, or one among many. I know if I experience a problem with anything, it is reassuring to know I am not the only one.

And I fully recognize and appreciate that in your list of problems, for your number 1 problem, you clearly said it was broken "for me".

I might suggest, if you have not done so already, you report your problems to Microsoft too via the Feedback Hub. That is the best way for them to hear about such problems and to understand how widespread they may be.

 

[AVATARAT]

I understand you trust me if it was just the odd shutdown or error I would get it. The thing is how large the problems are for me that I can't ignore it and had to post something. If you know me I don't like to create drama but Windows needs to fix Windows asap. The sleep issue is probably the biggest for me.

You can search for the sleep problem here too
It doesn't have to be a Windows problem.

 

[Kapone33]

You can search for the sleep problem here too
It doesn't have to be a Windows problem.

The newest post is from July. It is now November.

 

[AVATARAT]

The newest post is from July. It is now November.

You may try cleaning with the DDU video driver and installing the chipset driver as well, that may help.

 

[Kapone33]

You may try cleaning with the DDU video driver and installing the chipset driver as well, that may help.

I already tried that. I have also done a full reset of Windows. I already lost a Kingston Mouse to this.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I already lost a Kingston Mouse to this.

See, I find this confusing. "ALL" mice will work at basic mouse functions without any special drivers. They must. Just as all motherboards must work at basic keyboard and video functions with no drivers and most motherboards will even work with most mice.

If this did not happen, how could we enter and navigate around the BIOS Setup Menu BEFORE the boot drive (and the drivers stored there) is even touched?

I accept a driver may become corrupt and therefore special features of a mouse might be lost. But the mouse should still be able to move a pointer around and at least the two main mouse buttons should still work. And of course, there must be many 1000s of Kensington (I assume you mean Kensington and not Kingston) mouse users out there. If this was an Windows update issue, where are those users for their mice should be dead too.

 

[Deleted member 242843]

I've had a few hiccups with 24H2. None of my own stuff, but I've seen a few problems in the wild. NICs that dropped link speed, only to be restored after rollback. Seen an Asus laptop that just bluescreens upon attempt to install (and who cares, I hate Asus laptops). Also seen a few instances of issues with the Intel SST driver. I've heard of a few others from other colleagues.

I would call these minor issues. For a major update, not bad. I've certainly seen worse on an average patch tuesday. Certainly not driving whole companies away from windows.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

@RJARRRPCGP and @_roman_ and @9087125 and the other Windows bashers who are insisting W11 is "a train wreck of epic proportions". You guys are missing or ignoring the point.

NOBODY, not me and not Psychoholic or anyone else in this thread said there are "no problems". With over 30+ million lines of code, it would be ridiculous to think or suggest no problems exist.

I said something about it, because of a nasty bug that never got into 11 before, so it should have been caught sooner! It's fixed now, at least on the Release Preview channel.
21H2, 22H2 and 23H2 never had the issue.

Note: the original RTM 11 24H2 ISO isn't affected, it was two broken updates right after that were the issue. Wasn't fixed until 26100.2152.

26100.2033 will forever be known as the major "botch-Tuesday" for 24H2.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Sleep is totally broken for me. I actually changed the Power plan in Windows to never go to sleep and yet my screen still freezes. How the hell can that be happening

Sleep is quite possibly the thing that drives me crazy the most in Windows, for as long as I can remember. I won’t go into past examples, but its a common problem for me and my 3+ decades of Windows experience. My current W10 box will simply not enter sleep mode automatically. I can manually cause it to suspend, but it won’t even lock properly when left to idle. From what I can find this time, it’s because of some process related to Windows Update not terminating when complete. It’s not worth my time to reinstall, TBH, because I just boot to Windows to play Destiny 2, otherwise the system is booted to Manjaro, where sleep has never been an issue.

While Linux isn’t perfect either, it is far easier to get going and keep going that ever. I’ve done very little to my Manjaro install since I set it up in May. Steam+Proton works really well, surprisingly so, on Arch-based Manjaro. Ubuntu is a lot more hassle for games. I’ve had games that Ubuntu couldn’t launch no matter what I tried play just fine without any tweaks in Manjaro.

 

[Kapone33]

See, I find this confusing. "ALL" mice will work at basic mouse functions without any special drivers. They must. Just as all motherboards must work at basic keyboard and video functions with no drivers and most motherboards will even work with most mice.

If this did not happen, how could we enter and navigate around the BIOS Setup Menu BEFORE the boot drive (and the drivers stored there) is even touched?

I accept a driver may become corrupt and therefore special features of a mouse might be lost. But the mouse should still be able to move a pointer around and at least the two main mouse buttons should still work. And of course, there must be many 1000s of Kensington (I assume you mean Kensington and not Kingston) mouse users out there. If this was an Windows update issue, where are those users for their mice should be dead too.

That was my thought process as well.I mean mice have been with us since the 80s. It could be the ARGB software on the mouse or the fact that Windows 11 now uses the Cloud for Wallpapers. That could confuse the Mouse software.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

My PC randomly shut downs sometimes

It's 99 percent overheating, especially the non-X3D 5800Xs. With every thing crammed on one CCD, it has trouble handling 142W PPT!

They have trouble with most coolers! You need to make sure the pump, if using a liquid cooler, is at full speed!

 

[AVATARAT]

It's 99 percent overheating, especially the non-X3D 5800Xs. With every thing crammed on one CCD, it has trouble handling 142W PPT!

They have trouble with most coolers! You need to make sure the pump, if using a liquid cooler, is at full speed!

Yes, it depends on your cooling solution.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Sleep is quite possibly the thing that drives me crazy the most in Windows, for as long as I can remember. I won’t go into past examples, but its a common problem for me and my 3+ decades of Windows experience.

Only 3+ decades? Well I won't hold your obvious youth and lack of experience against you! This is ESPECIALLY so since I pretty much have to totally agree with you. If there's been one general category of persistent problems, almost since the OS first took over the duty from HW, it is with sleep/standby/hibernate modes.

That said, the vast majority of causes for Windows failing to go to sleep (or waking up for no apparent reason), is due to some connected hardware device - most commonly via USB, but sometimes by the NIC.

When the problem is constant and caused by a corrupt driver, becoming proficient with the powercfg command to determine which driver is a must. But sadly, too often the problem is intermittent. This (I believe) is not due to a corrupt driver, but rather a corrupt setting that, for whatever reason, suddenly becomes "stuck". And the only way to resolve that is by a "cold" boot. By "cold", I mean to shutdown the computer AND unplug from the wall (or flip the PSU's master power switch) for about 15 seconds. This removes all traces of the ATX Form Factor's required +5Vsb "standby" voltage from all points on the motherboard, allowing the "cold" boot to reset/correct the offending setting. So after 15 seconds, restore power and boot, cross fingers and toes and hopefully the computer will sleep as expected, until that setting becomes corrupt again.

BTW, at a former place of work, we used to be plagued by computers constantly waking up for no apparent reason. Then one day a coworker was looking out the window and noticed one of those huge double dump gravel trucks go by and suddenly several of our computers woke up. It was the subtle vibrations shaking the building and computer desks wiggling the mice just enough to wake up the computers. Then we noticed the occasional heavy foot-fall, a passing train, or an EC-135 launching in our direction would wake them too. So we got into the habit of flipping the mice on their backs when done using the computer. It worked.

 

[Deleted member 242843]

BTW, at a former place of work, we used to be plagued by computers constantly waking up for no apparent reason. Then one day a coworker was looking out the window and noticed one of those huge double dump gravel trucks go by and suddenly several of our computers woke up. It was the subtle vibrations shaking the building and computer desks wiggling the mice just enough to wake up the computers. Then we noticed the occasional heavy foot-fall, a passing train, or an EC-135 launching in our direction would wake them too. So we got into the habit of flipping the mice on their backs when done using the computer. It worked.

Lol, i've seen similar stuff. I used to work for computer shop that had a carbon fiber plant as a client........and man, that stuff ate computers like nothing else, but this place was too cheap for real filtration solution. Wound up just putting industrial fans in the systems and taping big blocks of filter material on all the vents. I was the chump that had to go change it all once every month on service call. Had a similar thing with a chain of pool service companies.....they couldn't understand why the computers connectors all turned green within a couple months. All that chlorine...ick.

 

[ajcardiac]

I have switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon on a new build.
I do not want Windows 11.
I do not want to use an O/S with Recall, AI that is difficult to disable on a standard licence, or seems likely to enforce having a MS account.
I am happy I have made the move.
It is the first time I have a Linux only machine.