I Hope that AMD will know how to fight against this party-crusher

and nvidia strikes back!

sure.... they wont have till nov/dec

TooFastsure.... they wont have till nov/dec

ya AMDS pretty nifty with early releases.

Oh, of course they bloody would, wouldn't they. :P

It looks like nvidia is very desperate :D

ValdezIt looks like nvidia is very desperate :D

Oh, I wish. They've got more than twice ATI's market share.

They're just being dicks, that's all. :laugh:

demos with no products suck ass

GT300 demos aka vapor demo in september when amd will hard launch release their RV870 Evergreen :laugh:

Cant wait till the bench marks start flying around once both camps cards are out, but i will hold off on a new DX11 card till at least the first refresh on the GT300's so maybe 3/th QT of 2010 I might get some thing.
I dont for see any new games comming that will need it, so far Dirt2 is the only announce game, and from the DX10 videos it looks good enough for me with out DX11.

mdm-adphOh, I wish. They've got more than twice ATI's market share.

They're just being dicks, that's all. :laugh:

they are dick´s:D

SeleneCant wait till the bench marks start flying around once both camps cards are out, but i will hold off on a new DX11 card till at least the first refresh on the GT300's so maybe 3/th QT of 2010 I might get some thing.
I dont for see any new games comming that will need it, so far Dirt2 is the only announce game, and from the DX10 videos it looks good enough for me with out DX11.

forget dx11 atleast for now and concentrate on pure power of these cards;)

So according to Jen-Hsun Huang claim that GPU's will be 570 times faster in/around 6 years then this GT300 must be 95 times faster than the 8/9/GT2xx series cards. If this is true Jen why are you(Nvidia) getting desperate? I could only image a ATI card 95x faster/better than a 4890:twitch:

Who cares what some company stooge has to say. I hope these cards are good and fast! Competition is needed between the brands. Who wins? Who cares, as long as technology improves and prices keep low. The release of this generation of cards is nothing more than history repeating itself. Of course Nvidia will most likely be launching a card faster than ATI's DX11 cards. Why wouldn't they? History proves they will. Anyways, waiting for benchmarks. I also smell something stinky with two AMD VP's going over to work for Nvidia. You think AMD and Nvidia could be working together? I do. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

copmetiton is the name of the game .. i remember hav9ing to spend 200 dollars to get a midrange card :( a lame one at that ..

AMD: Here are our very powerful DX11 cards...and you can buy one in two weeks at a reasonable price

NVidia: Here are our even more powerful DX11 cards, and you can buy one in 6 months, and they will cost a bazillion dollars...:) :roll: :)

AMD FTW :D

nVidia needs to run a marketing campaign:

"FOREVER GREEN, nVIDIA"

That would completely SPOIL ATI's attempt at branding themselves "evergreen". nVidia is green already. They can pull it off big time... such that ANY marketing spend by ATI on "evergreen" will backfire... people will reassociate green and "forevergreen" with nV.

Good luck chaps. Get your marketing team together this weekend, and pull it off.

I personally am anxious to see the GTX 295 replacement :rockout:

TooFastsure.... they wont have till nov/dec

or later

I'm anxious to see Nvidia fail...And hopefully either go out find decent,friendly and customer oriented officers or be bought by someone. They do make decent cards but the knuckle heads running the corporation need to go.

Disclaimer: Most of the comments so far are from ATI fan boys, so I will attempt to equalize the scale a little bit, so don't throw any *snappy* comebacks at me... they are not required.

Since there are absolutely no DX11 games out there, and there are DX10 cards that can play almost all current games (except Crysis - which somehow I've managed to play on my GeForce Go 7900GS tucked somewhere in my Inspiron), I don't see why you'll want to rush over and buy expensive ATI/AMD gear.

And if in this tech demo, the GT300 is more powerful then what ATI has to offer, then I really can't see why you won't wait... unless you have ATI stamped on you brain... ATI is making a simple incremental upgrade of their existing technology, essentially upping the number of the SPUs, and doubling the ROPs... a big mistake on ATI's part, the number of ROPs should've been increased ages ago. On the other hand nVidia is changing a lot of things in it's core design, switching from SIMD to MIMD and adding DDR5 (I know ATI has it already, but nVidia will *presumably* have more bandwidth as a result of a wider bus). Their only problem is that they are keeping the monolithic design of the GPU, and this translates into higher production costs then ATI has to deal with.

So when you see an ATI card that performs the same as an nVidia card as the same price, you should know that ATI makes more money then nVidia does. So it is questionable about who is screwing who over. So far nVidia has to cope with very high production costs of the PCB because of wide bus DDR3 implementation, and the presence of the NVIO chip. Hopefully switching to DDR5 will make the PCB a lot simpler and cheaper for nVidia to manufacture and maybe it will have a fighting chance on the price front.

I see people thinking that RV870 will be hard-launched in September. It will be hard launched in December actually, on the 10th. Repeat after me... September paper launch, December = hard launch. Buying at launch always hurts your wallet. You can repeat that 100 times. :)

If you own a GTX275 or a HD4890 or better card, buying into this ATI DX11 hype now will hurt later, when prices drop and there are actually DX11 games worth playing. If you have a GTX260 SLI or a 4870/90 CF setup then you're making the biggest mistake of your life.

If you are made of money, if you have rich parents and they spoil you, if you've inherited a large sum of cache, if the banking system made an error in your favor, ignore what I said and just buy the damn thing, so we can all have benchmarks to compare our hopefully better GT300 cards with.

Take it easy, life is hard, don't just kill me yet, wait 9 months, see how it goes.

I bet nvidia isnt pushing any prices down, they cant afford it straight away.

Why?

They're loosing money, and they need the income, and ati goes for same launch prices as with HD4xxx.

Nvidia will loose some ground cause this early ati launch i guess, DX11 games is launched straight away btw. Grid2 is a game im looking forward to, loved grid1 ;D

glad to hear this actually. now i have a comparison on which card to buy next.

SihastruDisclaimer: Most of the comments so far are from ATI fan boys, so I will attempt to equalize the scale a little bit, so don't throw any *snappy* comebacks at me... they are not required.

Since there are absolutely no DX11 games out there, and there are DX10 cards that can play almost all current games (except Crysis - which somehow I've managed to play on my GeForce Go 7900GS tucked somewhere in my Inspiron), I don't see why you'll want to rush over and buy expensive ATI/AMD gear.

And if in this tech demo, the GT300 is more powerful then what ATI has to offer, then I really can't see why you won't wait... unless you have ATI stamped on you brain... ATI is making a simple incremental upgrade of their existing technology, essentially upping the number of the SPUs, and doubling the ROPs... a big mistake on ATI's part, the number of ROPs should've been increased ages ago. On the other hand nVidia is changing a lot of things in it's core design, switching from SIMD to MIMD and adding DDR5 (I know ATI has it already, but nVidia will *presumably* have more bandwidth as a result of a wider bus). Their only problem is that they are keeping the monolithic design of the GPU, and this translates into higher production costs then ATI has to deal with.

So when you see an ATI card that performs the same as an nVidia card as the same price, you should know that ATI makes more money then nVidia does. So it is questionable about who is screwing who over. So far nVidia has to cope with very high production costs of the PCB because of wide bus DDR3 implementation, and the presence of the NVIO chip. Hopefully switching to DDR5 will make the PCB a lot simpler and cheaper for nVidia to manufacture and maybe it will have a fighting chance on the price front.

I see people thinking that RV870 will be hard-launched in September. It will be hard launched in December actually, on the 10th. Repeat after me... September paper launch, December = hard launch. Buying at launch always hurts your wallet. You can repeat that 100 times. :)

If you own a GTX275 or a HD4890 or better card, buying into this ATI DX11 hype now will hurt later, when prices drop and there are actually DX11 games worth playing. If you have a GTX260 SLI or a 4870/90 CF setup then you're making the biggest mistake of your life.

If you are made of money, if you have rich parents and they spoil you, if you've inherited a large sum of cache, if the banking system made an error in your favor, ignore what I said and just buy the damn thing, so we can all have benchmarks to compare our hopefully better GT300 cards with.

Take it easy, life is hard, don't just kill me yet, wait 9 months, see how it goes.

Will you change you're graphics card and buy ATi 5800 series?? You only have 8800GTS and that's an old thing..I bet you will

Sihastru:

We will NOT have ANY logic or reasoning in this discussion. Understood? :roll: