Tuesday, October 26th 2010

Zotac Designs GeForce GTX 460 X2 Graphics Card

Zotac is another NVIDIA partner who isn't pleased that the GeForce GTX 480 isn't holding performance leadership, but has the engineering potential to outdo it. Earlier in June, Galaxy showed off a dual Fermi graphics card that makes use of two GF100 graphics processors in the GeForce GTX 465 configuration. Zotac waited for a more mature implementation of the Fermi architecture, found out that the GF104-based GeForce GTX 460 isn't lacking much in performance compared to the GTX 465, with vastly better thermal specifications, and went on to design its latest high-end card, which it now refers to as the Zotac GeForce GTX 460 X2. The card makes use of two GeForce GTX 460 1 GB GPUs in an internal SLI, much like every other dual-GPU NVIDIA card.

The card uses an NVIDIA nForce 200 bridge chip to semaphore and broadcast data between the two GPUs, a dual 3+1+1 phase VRM that draws power from two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors, and display connectivity is relayed to the rear-panel from both the GPUs, that's four dual-link DVI, and one mini-HDMI. What this also means is that with just this one card, you can use the 3D Vision Surround feature, while retaining SLI multi-GPU scaling. If that's not all, there's a SLI connector, which lets you pair this with another card of its kind, for GTX 460 Quad-SLI. Zotac is yet to finalize a cooling solution to suit it best. GF104 could be NVIDIA's easiest route to a dual-GPU graphics card that establishes performance leadership. The GF104 physically has 384 CUDA cores (336 on Zotac's card, since it's in the GTX 460 configuration), and has shown to be capable of high GPU/Shader clock speeds. More details about Zotac's card are awaited.
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61 Comments on Zotac Designs GeForce GTX 460 X2 Graphics Card

#26
wolf
Better Than Native
I really like the look of this card, pair it with a good cooler, and perhaps some non reference clock speeds out of the box and you're murdering a GTX480 already.
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#27
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
entropy13It HAS to be less than $400. You can have 2 GTX 460s right now for less than $320.
At the cost of an sli board and space.
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#28
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
I've been waiting and waiting for the right card to install in my system(besides money), and this looks like the one.


I've been waiting for a dual 8-pin card for a day and a half now.....I mean come on we have dual 6-pin cards why not dual 8-pin cards?

To all you green people.....I haz an apple to stick somewhere before you open your mouth, or when you do so....
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#29
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
Silver_Nah man, the price is not only because of what type of GPU it uses but the fact that ANY motherboard (nowdays usually have 2-3 lanes) can now get x16 and x16 quad sli that could easily smash 5870 2way crossfire and 6870 2way crossfire in performance and yet still be cheaper.

If you put a arctic accelero extreme variation cooler on this, GG ATI.
Get back under your bridge.

This is like the 5850 crossfire versus a 5970. It makes sense for a non sli mobo but if you'd pay that much for a card you'd probably have a good mobo anyway.

If it works out quiet and costs on par with 2 gtx 460's it's a nice move. I'd buy one if it weren't for the 69xx's coming.
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#30
20mmrain
Silver_Nah man, the price is not only because of what type of GPU it uses but the fact that ANY motherboard (nowdays usually have 2-3 lanes) can now get x16 and x16 quad sli that could easily smash 5870 2way crossfire and 6870 2way crossfire in performance and yet still be cheaper.

If you put a arctic accelero extreme variation cooler on this, GG ATI.
I've owned these cards(The GTX 460's in SLI and both the 5870 and 6870).... on what planet do you live on that they beat the 6870 and 5870 in single mod or SLI? It doesn't happen.... sure when overclocked (Some very few) can do that but remember the cards we just mentioned "5870" and "6870" can overclock too.
And those two cards still have tones of head room. where by then the GTX 460's are being pushed beyond their limits.

I will give you that the GTX 460's are great cards. I loved mine while I had them. But the reason they are cheaper then the other cards. Is because they are in no way means shape or form more powerful then a 5870 or a 6870
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#31
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
20mmrainI've owned these cards(The GTX 460's in SLI and both the 5870 and 6870).... on what planet do you live on that they beat the 6870 and 5870 in single mod or SLI?
Actually in SLI they should definitely be faster then a 5870 and a 6870, 460's scale likes gods in SLI and push results up to and in some circumstances better then a GTX 480.

A single 460 is a different story and has already been shown that it does in fact perform below a 5870 as well as the 6870.
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#32
erocker
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CDdude55Actually in SLI they should definitely be faster then a 5870 and a 6870
Obvious statement is obvious. They are not however better than 5850's, 5870's, 6850's (at higher resolutions) or 6870's in CrossFire.

I think this is a neat card. It's going to be somewhat power hungry and hot, but these are the things Nvidia's partners need to do to keep afloat.
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#33
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
erockerObvious statement is obvious.
Well he did say:
20mmrainon what planet do you live on that they beat the 6870 and 5870 in single mod or SLI?
Obvious statement isn't obvious to some...
erockerThey are not however better than 5850's, 5870's, 6850's (at higher resolutions) or 6870's in CrossFire.
Yes that is true, they are also not better then GTX 470's and GTX 480's in SLI (talk about obvious stuff being obvious lol)
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#34
erocker
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CDdude55Well he did say:



Obvious statement isn't obvious to some...




Yes that is true, they are also not better then GTX 470's and GTX 480's in SLI (talk about obvious stuff being obvious lol)
Due to power requirements, I disagree. That's just me though. They do perform better, you're right there. Better? No. Nvidia needs to get their act together so their AIB's can stay afloat. Or they should just take everything in house and dump AIB's all together.
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#35
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
erockerDue to power requirements, I disagree. That's just me though.
Well i guess that's one aspect you can point out, GF100 definitely isn't the most power efficient architecture. Ran two 470's in SLI myself and to be honest they really didn't take anything our of the norm of what a normal enthusiast would buy, you buy 2x 470's you're not going to be cheaping out and running it on a 500w CompUSA PSU..

EDIT:
erockerNvidia needs to get their act together so their AIB's can stay afloat. Or they should just take everything in house and dump AIB's all together.
I agree. Though i really hope they don't ditch their partners.
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#36
erocker
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CDdude55Well i guess that's one aspect you can point out, GF100 definitely isn't the most power efficient architecture. Ran two 470's in SLI myself and to be honest they really didn't take anything our of the norm of what a normal enthusiast would buy, you buy 2x 470's you're not going to be cheaping out and running it on a 500w CompUSA PSU..
Except one "blew up". If I'm not mistaken of course... 470's are allright, I used one for a while except it just didn't offer me anything more than my 5850 which uses less power and produces less heat. I actually find that I get more stable framerates with my 5850. But whatever, you don't have to defend your purchase in every thread about Nvidia or ATi. GF100's life is short and this dual GF104 card is what AIB's have to do to keep competitive. Now, if the price is right on this card it could be a big winner, especially if other companies make a similar product.
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#37
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
erockerExcept one "blew up". If I'm not mistaken of course... 470's are allright, I used one for a while except it just didn't offer me anything more than my 5850 which uses less power and produces less heat. I actually find that I get more stable framerates with my 5850. But whatever, you don't have to defend your purchase in every thread about Nvidia or ATi. GF100's life is short and this dual GF104 card is what AIB's have to do to keep competitive. Now, if the price is right on this card it could be a big winner, especially if other companies make a similar product.
Ya unfortunately one of my 470's decided to kill itself for no apparent reason.:(:cry:

That's a good point about about the 5850 and definitely the strong advantage AMD/ATI has been having with their recent lineup of cards. I was actually considering ditching my 470 for a 5850 a while back based on those reasons, less power, less heat, similar performance. But i figured hey, i have a good enough PSU and a good amount of airflow, so there wasn't much of a point.

I also try not to defend what i buy in threads, because as i have stated before in those threads, they are all just companies that want my money so i find it counterproductive and and just flat out stupid to defend anyone of them.
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#38
_JP_
Liking the looks of it, but that's really all that I can say, for now. Hope Zotac brings it closer to existence for consumers than Galaxy did.
Also, inb4 nvidiaintelftw.
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#39
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
CuzzaThanks tarun, I know what you meant, just an uncommon choice of words. At least to us westerners.
Not at all, a semaphore component is commonly used in tech jargon, very much in the west. I'll cite an example of Intel using it:


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#40
p3gaz_001
this is really SICK!!.... maybe i'll use this 480 AMP by Zotac for physx and get this 460x2 for video .. whoooaaaaa!!
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#41
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
p3gaz_001this is really SICK!!.... maybe i'll use this 480 AMP by Zotac for physx and get this 460x2 for video .. whoooaaaaa!!
Screw Physx, why not just get a second 480?
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#42
p3gaz_001
CDdude55Screw Physx, why not just get a second 480?
cause to do that.. called SLI i must have at least that crosshair IV extreme... hydra lucid chip. ... u know ... crossfire and sli on amd platform ... so since i'm not so really interested on that... i can't do much more than this.... :|
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#43
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
p3gaz_001cause to do that.. called SLI i must have at least that crosshair IV extreme... hydra lucid chip. ... u know ... crossfire and sli on amd platform ... so since i'm not so really interested on that... i can't do much more than this.... :|
Ahh, didn't see the board you were using.:o
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#44
p3gaz_001
CDdude55Ahh, didn't see the board you were using.:o
no prob dude :p
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#45
1c3d0g
Quad SLI...that's like sweet music to my folding@home ears! :cool:
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#46
Cuzza
btarunrNot at all, a semaphore component is commonly used in tech jargon, very much in the west. I'll cite an example of Intel using it:
Hmmmm. Well, you learn something everyday.
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#47
Wile E
Power User
btarunrNot at all, a semaphore component is commonly used in tech jargon, very much in the west. I'll cite an example of Intel using it:


img.techpowerup.org/101026/bta9510.jpg
A big tech conglomerate using a word does not make it common. It is not a common word in the west at all. A vast majority have never even heard the word, let alone know what it actually means.

His point stands. Most people simply don't know what they are.
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#48
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Wile EA big tech conglomerate using a word does not make it common. It is not a common word in the west at all. A vast majority have never even heard the word, let alone know what it actually means.

His point stands. Most people simply don't know what they are.
Semaphore is an English word. It's western by origin. A vast majority of people never heard a vast majority of terms used here on TPU. I'm obviously referring to the target audience.
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#49
Wile E
Power User
btarunrSemaphore is an English word, invented by the British. It's western by origin. A vast majority of people never heard a vast majority of terms used here on TPU. I'm obviously referring to the target audience.
If not for my love of trains, I never would've been exposed to the word until now.

It has never, EVER, come up in a single tech conversation i have had, IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, prior to this thread. We just don't use the word that often at all. It is completely uncommon for us, even in the tech field.
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#50
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Wile EIf not for my love of trains, I never would've been exposed to the word until now.

It has never, EVER, come up in a single tech conversation i have had, IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, prior to this thread. We just don't use the word that often at all. It is completely uncommon for us, even in the tech field.
Which is why, I used semaphore as a verb, not a noun. Just like flag-semaphores in aviation and rail semaphores. You can always look it up. When you're semaphoring something, you're directing something to go some particular way.

Anyway, some people learned a new word today. People learn uncommon words by reading books/newspapers/magazines/blogs.
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