I'm curious what the issue is, that they can fix it in a couple of weeks

Could be packaging or only some "bad" ones that slipped through and it is easier to pull a batch than checking every cpu in customer hands.

This is also how to avoid trouble after launch. Cant wait for Team Blues Recall though.

This is how you fix a problem. Find it before it gets in customers hands, delay if you have to and leave people in no doubt that you have some sort of standards.

Take note Intel.

I think there is no problem and AMD want to be the shoulder that Intel owners cry on when their cpu's get nerfed...:p

R0H1TWaiting for Intel to "fix" their CPU's :nutkick:

Yup, AMD wants to be correctly benchmarked against the “fixed…” Intel lineup at launch.

Which intel wanted to avoid by delaying the microcode “fix” to past Ryzen 9000 launch.

AMD just Noped out of that.

“Back to you Steve”

Cpus are in such a weird state right now.... It would have been a huge win for AMD to vet these out prior to whatever fix intel is cooking but nah let's launch after it's been patched....

Apparently some chips we're performing very poorly not sure how they can fixed that so fast some did say 2023 on the ihs though lol.

Does this mean delay of reviews to?

sLowEndI'm curious what the issue is, that they can fix it in a couple of weeks

I think their statement mostly covers it. They let some sub-par chips ship, fixed their screening process so more don't go out, and recalled the ones that are already out there. If it was anything more than that they'd have to delay much longer.

From what I've been hearing, some of the processors were way off in benchmarking and testing. AMD decided to investigate and found a problem in some processors with the IOD. Apparently salvageable with a IOD swap.

Also the 6 and 8 core parts are not affected but recalling as a precaution which is why the delay on these is only a week.

Cool, look forward to reviews in a couple weeks, but not sure what the point of the 9700X is at this point when we know a 9800X3D will be like 20% faster in gaming with much better frametimes. I'll keep waiting patiently for that.

Translated:

We appreciate how Intel is getting completely screwed and are in no rush to join them so we're taking the basic action of not releasing a product when we know it's not cooked right just yet

Better than nothing, but it's the least they can do really

phintsCool, look forward to reviews in a couple weeks, but not sure what the point of the 9700X is at this point when we know a 9800X3D will be like 20% faster in gaming with much better frametimes. I'll keep waiting patiently for that.

The X3D parts tend to be quite a bit more expensive than their vanilla counterparts, and not everything revolves around gaming. Users who are okay with the level of performance the 9700X offers can save money by going for it instead of a future X3D chip.

A wise desision from AMD's side, if there are any doubt on cpu's stability and function. A delay is apselutely better than a huge mess of defective cpu's after launch. That will only hurt amd image negatively.

We have just seen the mess intel has been in and still is in with there gen 13/14 cpu's. But we must not forget either the early state of amd zen 4 launch where some cpu's litterly burned up or melted perhaps even self destructed.

Zen 4 and Intels latest gens problems. Kind of confirms my worries/suspicion on that in the hunt to be the one to have the fastest cpu over the competiter. Amd and intel pushing the cpu's to far all ready at stock and lower the lifespan or degrade them to fast. We have seen Intels and amd latest chip runs hot and consume a high amount of power. Off cause naughty motherboard venders running the cpu out of spec as stock dosent help the situation either. But a cpu running at 95-100 C at high load can't be healthy. Despite intel/amd claims it by design.

AMD quote to Heavy Metal Steve:

We identified an issue with our initial production testing for Ryzen 9000 series processors that could result in a small number of parts reaching market that do not meet our quality standards. As a result, we have updated our test flow to include additional screening. As a part of ensuring that we are delivering the highest quality products to consumers, we are requalifying all the Ryzen 9000 series CPUs previously shipped to our distribution partners.

TomgangA wise desision from AMD

Yep agreed, and me personally just throws more food in Intel's face..

Outback BronzeYep agreed, and me personally just throws more food in Intel's face..

Yeah. They have hopefully learned from intel and there own zen 4 launch burned cpu's, how important proper testing really is.

can't wait for the failed ones to somehow reach the market somehow

Imagine that, a company that already makes the best gaming and productivity hardware is delaying the next generation to ensure they don't have issues. Intel should sit down and take notes.

Who wants to guess TIM between the IHS and die, or is it some bad soldering/wiring on the fiberglass substrate.

Maybe IHSs that are warped?

I've seen several opinions on this slight delay and I think it has to be one of two things or maybe both:

1. We don't ship faulty CPUs like Intel because we can be trusted to do the right thing by our customers.

2. We want to wait until the Intel patch nerfs their CPUs to show we are the better value for the money.

RGAFLThis is how you fix a problem. Find it before it gets in customers hands, delay if you have to and leave people in no doubt that you have some sort of standards.

Take note Intel.

Take note in general I sure hope AMD has no other launch issues this time, imagine how odd that would look after this PR

oxrufiioxoCpus are in such a weird state right now.... It would have been a huge win for AMD to vet these out prior to whatever fix intel is cooking but nah let's launch after it's been patched....

Apparently some chips we're performing very poorly not sure how they can fixed that so fast some did say 2023 on the ihs though lol.

Why though they are already competitive enough without even launching 9K series. They have all the time in the world at this point especially as Intel's 13/14th gen top end is now in the shitter

Vayra86Why though they are already competitive enough without even launching 9K series. They have all the time in the world at this point especially as Intel's 13/14th gen top end is now in the shitter

It's been almost 2 years since a cpu generation released from them and they still can't launch somthing without issues it's concerning at a minimum.

R0H1TWaiting for Intel to "fix" their CPU's :nutkick:

I'm waiting for them to fix their power draw issues.

they're waiting for intel patches to not YOLO 2 cores at 6.2Ghz and 1.6v so that they can get that single core win.

You're not finding quality issues 7 days before launch, on the same day that your competitor announces a patch in 'mid august' - that you can magically address in 15 additional days.

At this point all the pallets are shrinkwrapped and ready to go. They had to sail those dies from Taiwan, nothing is happening in 15 days - you couldn't fix a typo on the box in that time.

phanbueythey're waiting for intel patches to not YOLO 2 cores at 6.2Ghz and 1.6v so that they can get that single core win.

You're not finding quality issues 7 days before launch, on the same day that your competitor announces a patch in 'mid august' - that you can magically address in 15 additional days.

At this point all the pallets are shrinkwrapped and ready to go. They had to sail those dies from Taiwan, nothing is happening in 15 days - you couldn't fix a typo on the box in that time.

The funny thing is I believe they are having performance issues saw all the intel BS and were like shite we better make sure our stuff works.... Recall all the golden samples we sent reviewers lol

SteevoIntel should sit down and take notes.

I have no doubts Intel is sitting down and taking notes.

Problem is, only the engineers at Intel are doing that. Well, also the legal dept. is having 72-hour brainstorming sessions twice a week now, and their job is to produce some notes at the end, too.

TomgangBut a cpu running at 95-100 C at high load can't be healthy. Despite intel/amd claims it by design.

The processor basically becomes a thermostat, isn't that far better than endless temperature cycling?