I wonder if they tightened up the testing just because of the current Intel fiasco. Either way, better for them and better for consumers, a wise delay to ensure they don't end up with egg on their face.

I don't mind them doing some extra validation, in fact I would prefer if all new generations went through a longer validation period, but it makes me wonder; what is half a month going to do here? (just the overhead of taking out the chips from the boxes is going to take more)
It's not like I would normally buy any new architecture the first three months anyways…

Damn it, I was first hoping mid July, then late July, now mid August. Just because they know have the luxury of time doesn't mean they can just delay things by two weeks unless its something serious. I doubt they can even pull faulty units ready to be shipped in two weeks. I would wager a guess and say they're fixing the bios to ensure all the CPU's boost to their rated speeds, even the poorly binned ones, so they aren't thrown under the bus because after the ongoing Intel fiasco they know full well they'll be under an electron microscope.

Or that it's a fairly small batch they've identified and are pulling those units from shelves. We'll know in a couple of weeks I guess

Either way, it's absolutely not a good thing but better do it before launch than after I guess

Seeing what Intel is going thru and thinking, let's just double check everything before... you know lol.

thesmokingmanSeeing what Intel is going thru and thinking, let's just double check everything before... you know lol.

Let's make sure all dem voltages behaving before we launch dis shite..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

efikkanI don't mind them doing some extra validation, in fact I would prefer if all new generations went through a longer validation period, but it makes me wonder; what is half a month going to do here? (just the overhead of taking out the chips from the boxes is going to take more)
It's not like I would normally buy any new architecture the first three months anyways…

I use to always buy cpus at or within a month or so from launch, not anymore. I'll wait 6 months or till the price drops to a point where they're actually a good value.

7950X3D was the first time I took a cpu for a test drive for a build and was like nah dog I'll wait it really felt like a beta product. Once it hit $475 I was like the hoops might finally be worth jumping through to get it working all the time properly. I do like it now.

Intel with all the degradation and oxidation issues or whatever they want to call it. What really grinds my gears is a buddy tried to rma one late 2023 and Intel was like na dog even though they apparently knew they had issues Amazon had to bail intel out on that one after the normal return period but that just shouldn't happen. They gave him the 125w long power duration bs and running ram without XMP which is fine if they make reviewer test them in that configuration but they don't.

Yea
AMD is waiting for Intel 's so-called "fix" to drop
Then having the 9950x smashing the handicapped 14900k (By Intel's own-doing)

This is better than how Intel would handle any delays.

Intel: “The motherboard companies made us do it.”

efikkanwhat is half a month going to do here? (just the overhead of taking out the chips from the boxes is going to take more)

My guess is give enough time to fulfil launch stock with already newly validated ones, they don't necessarily need to recertify the others in this timeframe, just rebuild launch stock from known good chips.

wolfMy guess is give enough time to fulfil launch stock with already newly validated ones, they don't necessarily need to recertify the others in this timeframe, just rebuild launch stock from known good chips.

Yeah, it sounds like something like that; taking certain batch(es) out of the queue, and letting the rest proceed. But I do wonder if other than GN are still waiting for review samples though, those are usually arriving sometime before.

wolfMy guess is give enough time to fulfil launch stock with already newly validated ones, they don't necessarily need to recertify the others in this timeframe, just rebuild launch stock from known good chips.

It must have been just one batch of bad cpus or else this wouldn't be a 2 week issues.

Still I wonder why so close to launch literally 7 days out they've finally realized there was issues. They should have been validating retail samples months ago.

I've seen retail samples be posted with 2023 diffusion dates, Bitwit had one. So it's not like these cpus at least some sku haven't been ready for a while.

Part of me thinks they were like F it just launch them they are close enough saw all the intel shite and were nevemind lol.

SteevoImagine that, a company that already makes the best gaming and productivity hardware is delaying the next generation to ensure they don't have issues. Intel should sit down and take notes.

Who wants to guess TIM between the IHS and die, or is it some bad soldering/wiring on the fiberglass substrate.

Maybe IHSs that are warped?

Lol calm down. AMD didnt exactly have the smoothest launch with zen4 as people have already indicated in this thread.

Anything to avoid launch day Ryzen silicon quality shenanigans is good news for everyone. Less gap between non-X3D and X3D would be nice too.

tabascosauzAnything to avoid launch day Ryzen silicon quality shenanigans is good news for everyone. Less gap between non-X3D and X3D would be nice too.

They want to launch something around the time of Arrow Lake most likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it drops like a week or two before.

Given that everything AMD does (regardless of being good or bad) will be used against them in full force, i dont blame them for being cautious.

Its really strange how intel and Ngreedia keep getting free passes but AMD is always scrutinized with the knob on 11.

Anyway, a delay of a couple of weeks to mitigate makes me think that the issue is minor or as others say, a brilliant move, since the trash being sold by intel its going to get slower after the mitigation patches are released so the reviews will be even better (and truthful) on their favor.

DavenThis is better than how Intel would handle any delays.

Intel: “The motherboard companies made us do it.”

Funny how its never intel fault, but their partners…

oxrufiioxoIt must have been just one batch of bad cpus or else this wouldn't be a 2 week issues.

Still I wonder why so close to launch literally 7 days out they've finally realized there was issues. They should have been validating retail samples months ago.

I've seen retail samples be posted with 2023 diffusion dates, Bitwit had one. So it's not like these cpus at least some sku haven't been ready for a while.

Must have been some reports from reviewers that had issues with perhaps boost clocks.

Or maybe the new AI (SenseMI with updates?) Isn't working properly? GPT misunderstood something?

Either way, I'm eager to see some end user results after some time with bios updates for memory compatibility and such!

jesdalsDoes this mean delay of reviews to?

Yes, the press has not received samples yet, according to GN

Better have a delayed launch than release defective CPUs like Intel with their 13/14th ones.

Dr. DroYes, the press has not received samples yet, according to GN

odd that some people got ahold of retail samples a while back....

Vayra86Why though they are already competitive enough without even launching 9K series. They have all the time in the world at this point especially as Intel's 13/14th gen top end is now in the shitter

Because besides the 9950x which is obviously going to the be the fastest full stop the bulk of the sales which are the midrange are kinda lacking. 9600x vs 13600k and 9700x vs 13700k, yeah, doesn't look good for amd. With or without the intel fixes.

oxrufiioxoodd that some people got ahold of retail samples a while back....

Makes sense, people that work for distributors etc. might have received some advance stock that was ultimately recalled

oxrufiioxoodd that some people got ahold of retail samples a while back....

Same as the ES / QS CPUs from the gray market.
There is always some "Insider" doing this kind of stuff for money / fame

Its fine, we can wait lol. Its not like its delayed to 2025.

WirkoI have no doubts Intel is sitting down and taking notes.

Problem is, only the engineers at Intel are doing that. Well, also the legal dept. is having 72-hour brainstorming sessions twice a week now, and their job is to produce some notes at the end, too.


The processor basically becomes a thermostat, isn't that far better than endless temperature cycling?

Hornestly i don't know. I just know high temp can degrade a cpu faster than if it runs at lower temperature.

My bet are "defective" I/O parts on CPUs and they will be replaced with fresh units. "Defective" units will be re-binned at the factories and those which can pass will be released back to market in later weeks.

Looks like AMD cannot have smooth Zen CPU line-up launch, except Zen+ :D

Zen1 - MBO OEM BIOS issues + RAM incompatibility
Zen+ - SMOOTH operator
Zen2 - BIOS issues, AutoOC/Boost issues
Zen3 - X370/B350 MBO Bios updates held 18 months
Zen4 - look at Zen1
Zen5 - delay due to lesser level of QA

How do you do QA on units that have already shipped out? Weird.