wickermanI'm not saying those other products should not have been allowed to be made. But those products are all largely evolutions of a base. It's one thing to see demand for something and build a competing product, free or otherwise. But come on, look at stuff like this and say Samsung hasn't taken a very close look at what Apple's approach to design has to offer. Or look at the charging/sync cable used with the Galaxy Tab. Samsung had all the information on the iphone before anyone else, they co designed and built the chips going into them. They had all the specs and designs. I don't believe for a second that they didn't take those to their design department. Samsung has NEVER had a problem breaking the law or operating in shady areas to get what they want, and when you do that you don't get the benefit of the doubt in my books. Are you at least able to see the similarity in those officially bundled accessories?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but the looking at the images you've posted, these converters don't even come close to being similar. Although the general shape is somewhat close, the dimensions, colour, exterior layout isn't. And the Power pins/USB jack designs are standards. I'm not getting what or where you're getting with that cable though. But still, look at the data cables the old Nokias (early n70, n80 and n90 series) and the Sony Ericssons had. They looked the same, still you didn't hear anyone complaining.
We all know Samsung made the chips used in most Apple products. But that doesn't automatically make their products "rip-offs". I haven't heard of Samsung operating in shady areas. If you have any infos or links, do share.

wickermanSNIP

But hey. wait! If we're thinking like this. How about LG suing Apple for the total rip off of LG Prada by the Apple iPhone? Started the smartphone revolution? How? By totally copying the LG Prada and making it simpler for dummies? They practically just took 2 buttons off and expanded the software:




Or how about HP goes after Apple for producing a tablet with a "minimal shape" like they are doing against Samsung? How about this tablet, that was made before the word iPad even existed:




So yeah, there are a lot of companies that could sue Apple but they choose not to. It's Apple who is slowly becoming insane here and is suing everybody. Of course they will fight back!

Andrei23I would like to see that company brought down to earth.

yep, agree
but its kinda hard to find :D

wickermanI'm not saying those other products should not have been allowed to be made. But those products are all largely evolutions of a base. It's one thing to see demand for something and build a competing product, free or otherwise. But come on, look at stuff like this and say Samsung hasn't taken a very close look at what Apple's approach to design has to offer. Or look at the charging/sync cable used with the Galaxy Tab. Samsung had all the information on the iphone before anyone else, they co designed and built the chips going into them. They had all the specs and designs. I don't believe for a second that they didn't take those to their design department. Samsung has NEVER had a problem breaking the law or operating in shady areas to get what they want, and when you do that you don't get the benefit of the doubt in my books. Are you at least able to see the similarity in those officially bundled accessories?



My point may not have been clear, for that I am sorry. But what I was trying to say was that Samsung products typically fall into one of those 2 categories. They either innovate very well and fall short or they produce something almost identical to their competitors. I remember playing with an epic samsung phone back in the early 00's that was a flip phone with a touch screen, powerful processing, lots of great built in apps and all that good stuff, something not at all like the competition at the time...but it had fatal flaws like huge idle draw that left the battery dead after about 2 days, even if you left in sleep mode. It basically had to live on a charger. Was basically designed as a cellphone with a PDA on board. It was very innovative, something that nobody else had gotten quite right before. But it was so badly thought out that it was unusable.

Then you look at things like their successful knock offs... The Samsung Blackjack was identical to the Motorola Q, the Sync was almost identical to the RAZR, the Galaxy S and S II have the exact same prominent design features of the Iphone 3G.

I agree that we only have so many ways to interact with a phone, but it is just stupid to say apple is nothing but a troll who stifles innovation when you know fine well that the smartphone revolution started with the launch of the iphone. Many ingredients were already there but it was apple who made the recipe work, and made it a success.

It seems you didn't get the point... my car has 4 wheels and and a round steering wheel... gosh how could they steal that from me... ?

I am sorry for your bad experience with Samsung, although you haven't then experienced the worst things then. How many platforms have you owned? I can say proudly had most of them all(except Japanese gems and China "exclusives"), because of my work and profession. From old, DCT-2(MAD2) nokia, true ericssons, alcatels, sharps etc etc And I understand them most at schematic level... and if say that phone is crap I can argument it without religious/obscure arguments, just a judgment as an electronics engineer.
You forgot that there were always smartphone series. Nokia had communicator series 9110 etc y1999 (it had AMD486 inside, so x86 phone is nothing new :D, Ericsson had P800+ series (gosh y2002), not mentioning the HTC XDA phone, that ignited it all!! You forgot to mention them again HTC, I'll support them although I've never used one longer than few days messing around with custom OS and repairing them.
You say that the fact that Apple made them sell a lot, gives them kind of right to shit on others? From your point of view - you say Apple did it all? So may it be then... I'll reside still on the true history. They did nothing on the mobile scene. Did you read the news about Iphone 5 delay, because of LCD/touch module problems? It is only the start, they will loose access to quality fabs, and solutions and patches for current tech that they didn't create.
There is plenty of room for every one in the market, as we see there are makers that still create things with four wheels and and a round steering wheel, without suing each other...
So you say also, if a maker makes a phone that can only make call and text sms or for the poor ones it also a fault and lame thing. That they have an offer for every wallet size?
You talk again about copying again... we all remember 7370 nokia, but gosh... SEMC W550 had the same rotary hinge??? How could they? Everyone does like that everywhere, it is called evolution.
There are loyal people like you or me who are lazy to accept new challenging things sometimes. Like new OS, controlls etc. So why not to offer as there is plenty of room in the market? And it will bring down the damn price also?? Lets play dirty and kill the competition then eh? How sane.

I have to add... I liked the old Apple from PowerPC era, they were doing fine job, and still is a default productivity solution for artists and designers...(windows color management is pain still), but now? It is a mere replica of an PC also made at Foxconn? I'll better buy a Eurocom Panther, not some overpriced for nothing fashion toy.

wickermanI'm not saying those other products should not have been allowed to be made. But those products are all largely evolutions of a base. It's one thing to see demand for something and build a competing product, free or otherwise. But come on, look at stuff like this and say Samsung hasn't taken a very close look at what Apple's approach to design has to offer. Or look at the charging/sync cable used with the Galaxy Tab. Samsung had all the information on the iphone before anyone else, they co designed and built the chips going into them. They had all the specs and designs. I don't believe for a second that they didn't take those to their design department. Samsung has NEVER had a problem breaking the law or operating in shady areas to get what they want, and when you do that you don't get the benefit of the doubt in my books. Are you at least able to see the similarity in those officially bundled accessories?



My point may not have been clear, for that I am sorry. But what I was trying to say was that Samsung products typically fall into one of those 2 categories. They either innovate very well and fall short or they produce something almost identical to their competitors. I remember playing with an epic samsung phone back in the early 00's that was a flip phone with a touch screen, powerful processing, lots of great built in apps and all that good stuff, something not at all like the competition at the time...but it had fatal flaws like huge idle draw that left the battery dead after about 2 days, even if you left in sleep mode. It basically had to live on a charger. Was basically designed as a cellphone with a PDA on board. It was very innovative, something that nobody else had gotten quite right before. But it was so badly thought out that it was unusable.

Then you look at things like their successful knock offs... The Samsung Blackjack was identical to the Motorola Q, the Sync was almost identical to the RAZR, the Galaxy S and S II have the exact same prominent design features of the Iphone 3G.

I agree that we only have so many ways to interact with a phone, but it is just stupid to say apple is nothing but a troll who stifles innovation when you know fine well that the smartphone revolution started with the launch of the iphone. Many ingredients were already there but it was apple who made the recipe work, and made it a success.

I own a GSII, and compared to a apple product, its much better. It doesn't have Ios on it, or Itunes, or I anything. I does have my stuff on it.

It may look the same, but at a distance so did my milestone, when holding it up to your ear. Apple doesn't have a problem that it is touchscreen, or that it has icons like every other device, they don't care that it has a actual button in the middle. Apple doesn't like it since it offers users a choice, a choice for better performance, and more options, a choice not to be limited. And users are jumping at it.

Apple opened Pandoras box, now they can deal with it, they deserve every single thing coming their way just for such massive patent abusal...

The problem is simple: if you don't make claim against the property rights YOU HOLD, then someone else can claim them buried in another patent, and you can risk losing your rights. It's the same with copyright law. You need to actively enforce your property rights, or you will lose them. And given Apple's track record, if you dont defend YOUR patents, Apple will bury similar concept into THEIR patents and then sue YOU for using THEIR patents!

How much is VIA and S3 really going after Apple (to make money) or basically stating their claim on prior property rights and at the same time using the same established method of Apple which is: my rights, acknowledge, or cease trading your products.

I am not in favour of the current state of the patent system... but at the same time we DO need a patent system. And the winners are? The lawyers. It's a racket.

An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but it apparently doesn't do much to fend off lawyers.

the point is:

wanna make money fast?

take a few patent ,put them in a mixer , take out the iphone and sell it.

and keep your mouth shout about this

shit forget to pay the guy who press the mixer switch.. now he's calling all the patent owner.. i'm busted so better run and fire myself

laszlothe point is:

wanna make money fast?

take a few patent ,put them in a mixer , take out the iphone and sell it.

and keep your mouth shout about this

shit forget to pay the guy who press the mixer switch.. now he's calling all the patent owner.. i'm busted so better run and fire myself

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxq90xmYUs&feature=player_detailpage

0:37 -> Wouldn't mind being that iPhone ! :D
1:13 -> Changed my mind :eek:

please don't excuse me as some loyal fanboy, my views are like everyone else's - based in fact, opinion, research, and experience. Like you say, a car is "just 4 wheels and a round steering wheel" but what makes one different from another is design, materials, and the passion and work that goes into each.

Just because people don't like apple for what ever reason doesn't mean they cant defend themselves when they feel their patents and products are being threatened. I can't help but wonder if people would be this far against Google if they were in the same position. Or if any other company was the apple of today.

All these other devices that people list predate the "smartphone revolution" are all legitimate points to argue. I acknowledge they existed first, we can all see some direct and indirect links between old models of other devices. But it's just a failure to acknowledge history to say apple didn't get the recipe close enough to drive everyone crazy. Before the iphone phones were not headed on the path we are on today, we were headed towards PDA and blackberry type devices. There were virtually no independent developers selling their own software, there was no enormous public demand for them. I'm not denying that you could run doom on an arm based phone before apple launched their device.

If google launched and maintained android without the app store then would any one of you still use it? If you were limited to a dozen preinstalled programs and there were no developers making new ones readily available? That is probably apple's biggest contribution, they made a market for 50mb apps and showed the world that independent developers as well as massive publishing houses can make millions off of them. The process of getting programs working on those "pre revolution" devices was a pain in the ass and we basically had to either wait until an official port came along or we waited till smart hackers released an image.

I don't have to be an apple fan to understand they made a market and a demand for the very things that made a smartphone a success. I know you guys have made very valid arguments, but doesn't it bother you when all you read around the internet is a denial of success and innovation from a company simply because it's a popular company to hate?

They have a right to protect their property as much as any of us. I think it's clear they have a reason to go to court and argue their side of things, if a judge agrees with them or not is a different matter. But to say you want the biggest name in the industry to fail and hundreds of thousands of people to lose their jobs just because you don't like something is just so...wrong...

Also I don't hold the opinion that the android os is inferior to ios. It is a different approach to the same concept. As much as I like to tweak, it is not my solution. I like the closed apple environment, I like knowing that any app i download is going to run fine, and not have to wonder if my phone is running a different resolution, or aspect ratio, or cpu, or gpu, or is missing some other feature the developer's phone had that mine didnt. Or vice versa, I don't want to buy a premium phone and realize there is no apps that utilize my new features I paid extra to have. Some people like apple's approach and it is just prejudice to say they are stupid because of it. Some people like google's approach and it is just prejudice to say they are stupid because of it. How many people here buy an ATI card over an Nvidia card because they prefer the image quality, or the driver stability, or the overclockability, or the cooling design, or what ever. I just cant stand the hate and bigotry that comes out of people sometimes.

But on another note, don't think google is innocent in all of this. They are the ones who benefit in the end, and now that their OS is arguably the market leader, and they now own a handset maker...having a giant patent war isn't going to bother them. Samsung however, is looking more towards their own BADA os (shipped about 4.5 million bada phones in Q2 2011), HTC already has plans to develop a proprietary os. And there is a number of rumors about who could buy up HP's webos as their mobile platform of choice. I wouldn't be surprised if google failed to back any of their "loyal" fanbase at this point. If all other android phones were suddenly banned and you could only buy the official google one made by their in house handset maker, will google shed a tear? :p

All we need now is a Sue Apple App.

Bill "I wanna sue Apple for patent infringement"

Bob "There's an app for that"

god apple is just getting ripped now!

Deservedly imo.

Hope they win.


But this does explain why apple stuff is so overpriced, someone has to pay for their legal team.:D

[H]@RD5TUFFHope they win.


But this does explain why apple stuff is so overpriced, someone has to pay for their legal team.:D

Now that is humor xD