It will be much better. AMD PR is quiet and that's a good sign. Or maybe they are quiet because they got fired over the Bulldozer debacle?

Imo I think quest PR is good because it means one of two things.
1. They are going to let the performance of their product speak for itself.
2. They have learned to not shove their foot up their ass with stupid PR stunts.

CasecutterI'm saying it should be 35%... 10% to beat a GTX580 and another 25% as a good round number. $370+35%=$499 see how that figures...
Just like .50Cal is... a round :toast:

35% would be phenomenal and very desirable, but something tells me it ain't gonna happen, will see...

So...where's the HD 7750 and the HD 7770?? :confused:

4th fake new story i have seen from tpu in a week

So these new cards are expected to be at least on par or "outperform" the 580 and 570... also, the high end Kepler model won't be released until Q3-Q4 2012... I would think that for anyone who just updated their cards in the past 12 months, waiting until 2013 would be the safest bet...

Then again, this could all turn out to be not true, like so many other hardware rumors that have been plaguing the net in the last few months...

I was hoping these would all show up about $50 cheaper than what this rumor suggests.

For $499 and $399 these cards better not be on par with the GTX 580 & 570.... if that is the case... then I see these cards being a fairly large flop. For those prices I would demand performance on par or a little below a HD6990.
To see an increase from the HD 6970 to HD 7970 of only 35% would be very disappointing considering that would mean only a 10% to 15% performance increase over the GTX 580. AMD would not be stealing any customers away from Nvidia (Except the ones who were already planning to leave). For that much increase High end Nvidia users will probably just overclock and bide their time until Nvidia releases Kelper.
Which would suck for me on a personal note I was planning on going AMD this time around. But again a total waste at that price for anything less then 50% performance increase, Lower power usage, and higher overclocking potential.

Plus on a side note.... I don't see AMD releasing their cards for that much.... just on what they have been doing in terms of history pricing lately. I would guess closer $400/$450 for their top card at most. But that is just a guess I have nothing backing me up. Again... the pricing here in the article above is just rumors right now anyway. When I see more people reporting it.... I will start to believe it more.

_JP_So...where's the HD 7750 and the HD 7770?? :confused:

And I also find it strange that there's a $60 gap between the HD 7670 and the HD 7650. Radeon cards are known for having short price differences to put pressure on the market (therefore, on nVidia). This doesn't add up. :confused:

_JP_So...where's the HD 7750 and the HD 7770?? :confused:

Gone no need for them anymore. The X7X0 was never really intend as a prime time player more born out of a necassity fron the 58XX being/going so up the scale. 7670 should be as good or better than the RV850 and should do it with PCI-E (75W) If you intend to game more... you just move to the X8X0 which was always intended as the "Mainstream".

DarkleocoHmmmm it seems to me that both the 7970 and 7950 should be assured to outperform the GTX 580 and 570 if their is really enough increase in performance to justify an upgrade beyond the 3GB of memory.

XDR2 ram is used! Thats why! :rolleyes:

DarkleocoImo I think quest PR is good because it means one of two things.
1. They are going to let the performance of their product speak for itself.
2. They have learned to not shove their foot up their ass with stupid PR stunts.

1. Or they're quiet because they are not that close to release yet.(No concrete evidence of when these are actually releasing other than Q1)
2. They are quite because it is only going to perform as well the GTX 580/570 (No evidence of how well these cards will perform they were also quiet on other Series of cards that turned out to be flops. But they were also quiet on the HD5000 series which turned out to be great.... I think you can't judge by how quiet a companies being.)
3. They are quiet because space aliens stole all of they're in process chips and they really don't have any chips for us to buy in the near future. (Disclaimer this last theory Is 100%, possibly, Yes, Kind of, On Thursday, No, but maybe True.) :)

_JP_And I also find it strange that there's a $60 gap between the HD 7670 and the HD 7650. Radeon cards are known for having short price differences to put pressure on the market (therefore, on nVidia). This doesn't add up. :confused:

They intend the APU to be the first leg, then the 7650 as a general upgrade for GMA Craphics/or those mobo's with IGP that might still find there way into OEM's. When you look at this AMD has streamline the SKU's for the market they "see" going forward.

AMD in all probability will just keep the 6450 as a low cost Legacy offering, kind of what the 8400GS has been.

Casecutteryou just move to the X8X0 which was always intended as the "Mainstream".

In my opinion, that only happened with the HD 6000 series. I know that the HD 3000 series also lacked a x7x0 model, but there were different gaps at the time and different competition from nVidia. The x7x0 came with the 4000 seires to fill a gap (and give a higher price clearance for the x8x0 models). With the 5000 series it became the best price/perfoemance card and a good choice for those that didn't use high resolution monitors. I think it has a place in the market and should continue to exist because we have already identified a market range for it, for three generations now.
But this me though.
/my2cents

20mmrain1. Or they're quiet because..

Actually that's always been ATI strategy used since… They prevent leaks and don’t say anything all this is rumors, or a plant to gauge response. Misinformation on their part is something they (both) do…
Spy vs. Spy

CasecutterActually that's always been ATI strategy used since… They prevent leaks and don’t say anything all this is rumors, or a plant to gauge response. Misinformation on their part is something they (both) do…
Spy vs. Spy

Well right bud that's my point they misinform stuff and stay quiet .... there is really no way to tell by anything they are doing that is all I am saying.
When we all find out is when release is a week or so away when the real info gets released. For example if the HD 7970 is released Jan 9th 2012 we'll start hearing real info around the last couple days of December.
But shit man I really hope they hit it out of the ball park.... I like AMD/ATI better than Nvidia cards.... I am always pulling for them. But I go where the best option is :toast:

After thought though.... There is one thing we can be certain on though.... if someone was wondering when a card is going to release keep an eye on the prices of the HD6000 series.... if they start to drop you know the launch is right around the corner.

CasecutterThey intend the APU to be the first leg, then the 7650 as a general upgrade for GMA Craphics/or those mobo's with IGP that might still find there way into OEM's. When you look at this AMD has streamline the SKU's for the market they "see" going forward.

The APUs have the GPU labeled as HD 64x0/65x0, therefore it would make sense to keep the x6x0 models below the $119 mark to be used as a IGPU replacement/improvement. That will give the x7x0 the market space it needs, between these and the x8x0.

But all of this sounds strange to me and I don't want to jump into conclusions yet. It's still too early, imo, and the sun ain't shinin' yet.
I will not feed more fud.

I hope the new architecture on the high end cards works nicely : ]

_JP_But this me though.
/my2cents

Oh, I understand but remember MSRP doesn't set price. The buyer ultimately; although competition, supply (yield), and economy (the disposable cash the buyers’ have. So, yields… said to be not excellent (for either), competition waning for several months, and buyers with disposable cash not so much. I think these will be what you see for 3-5 months. That’s why I’m staying put.

If they need a differant/lower price opening there's alway the 7X30! Which with supposed TSMC whoa's those might come sooner than we think.

20mmrainThere is one thing we can be certain on though.... if someone was wondering when a card is going to release keep an eye on the prices of the HD6000 series.... if they start to drop you know the launch is right around the corner.

Well knowing this is only the 79XX, while 78XX months away I don't see AMD/AIB's all that worried about transitioning. They did a good job drying up most 58XX stuff before the 69XX and there was a clear price split then, just like there will be now. Waiting might pick up a few deals as AIB's juggle inventories, buying the right card at a good price today, just means you get to play 4-6 weeks earlier for not even $4-5 a week. If a good reputable card shows at a good price, and at your price I wouldn’t wait… only the less desirable could be there in the weeks to come. AMD and AIB have know this is coming, they controlled chip production, deliveries to the E-tailers there won't be a big sell off on AMD and conversely it won't upset Nvidia.

20mmrain35% would be very disappointing considering that would mean only a 10% to 15% performance increase over the GTX 580

How that? GTX580 vs. 6970
1920x = 13% (If you by a GTX580 to play at that res.) :confused:
2650x = 10% (Not to mention Perf/watts & Perf/$)
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6970/29.html

Aleksander Dishnica4th fake new story i have seen from tpu in a week

According to a report by DonanimHaber

They are reporting stuff posted by other sources. This is not information directly reported from TPU as fact. It's similar to when they report on rumours and alleged benchmarks pre-launch of products.

Hmm I was wanting to buy a 2gb 7950 but that price but be a little out of my budget.

Don't think a 7870 is a good enough of an upgrade on the 6870 but need something better to push my eyefinity.

I'm going to wait for Benchmarks and to see what Nvidia has to offer. My last 2-3 cards have been ATi\AMD, maybe it's time to check out the competition *shrug*

I wonder if they will be pcie 3?
Whatever they are, im sure they will be good, 7990 haha, that may be a beast if its made.

Yeh i been thinking a switch over to nvidia too why not already? whatever works the best, for what you need it for at the best pricepoint.

As another member mentioned, what games really take advantage or will take advantage of new architecture of gpus?