MathraghI know that in all probability you dont really mean 1ms.....

YES I mean 1MS!

www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162232&highlight=1MS

brandonwh64YES I mean 1MS!

www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162232&highlight=1MS

So what you're actually saying is digital design as it is been done at this moment is garbage?
I'm saying this since no screen at the moment, let alone whole system has 1 ms response times, except perhaps the one in your thread, which doesnt really count as a useable design system imho.

Just curious to what you actually mean here.

I am just saying that the tech is being developed and when it get released into devices such as tablets, it will make for a better designing platform.

Scrizzlol so you're saying the tablet is better than the computer?

I'd love to get battlefield 1942 on that. lol

huh?

I think scrizz though you were talking about the IPAD compared to a PC.

brandonwh64I think scrizz though you were talking about the IPAD compared to a PC.

bah! obviously PC is superior!

brandonwh64YES I mean 1MS!

www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162232&highlight=1MS

Hey nice you found it. :)

This is some time away though, so I don't think it's fair saying current tech is "garbage".

FrickHey nice you found it. :)

This is some time away though, so I don't think it's fair saying current tech is "garbage".

I said designing on a tablet is garbage not that the new "TECH" was garbage...

brandonwh64Until tablets move from the 100MS response times to 1MS of the new touch screens then designing on a tablet is quite garbage.

If you are designing on a tablet you aren't designing much of anything. Much like trying to do real work on most ultrabooks.

I can't stand windows 8 it's so ugly

Dreadful battery life... Ridiculous specs. Priced way too high. This is a flop.

This is just another Windows Slate PC MS been flopping with for over a decade. You can get a better spec'ed Ultra-book with longer battery life and less weight for this price. This will remain the niche product the slates have been for years.

It does have a couple of pluses, the digitizer and screen, big whoop. These will not be flying off the shelves especially during a recession.

DillingerI can't stand windows 8 it's so ugly

While I agree the new front end UI sucks hardcore, once you install a third party app to bypass it so you can boot to the desktop and have a start menu, it's on a par with Windows 7. Though I absolutely HATE the ribbon replacement for a proper menu.

naoan4 hours of awkward x86 softwares navigation thanks to them not being optimized for touch. Yeah, thanks but no thanks.

www.ghacks.net/2012/11/30/surface-pro-price-and-battery-life-disappoint/

Not really, it's a fully fledged tablet that runs metro apps perfectly, if you want to do some serious work on it then use the keyboard and a wireless mouse with it to run your x86 programs.

I personally think the surface is the sexiest tablet in the market place though it's also priced out of the market for most, the ARM version should have been £300 and the x86 around £600, this would of been perfect pricing to enable mass early adoption imo though I think they are going to milk it for as much as they can get away with at first and they will likely end up around this price.

NdMk2o1oNot really, it's a fully fledged tablet that runs metro apps perfectly, if you want to do some serious work on it then use the keyboard and a wireless mouse with it to run your x86 programs.

I personally think the surface is the sexiest tablet in the market place though it's also priced out of the market for most, the ARM version should have been £300 and the x86 around £600, this would of been perfect pricing to enable mass early adoption imo though I think they are going to milk it for as much as they can get away with at first and they will likely end up around this price.

This. The only problem with this is that they totally outplay all their hardware partners that way, hence the higher price.

Ummm, Hmmm, Not this guy! It must be made of gold for the price. thanks but no thanks MS

_Zod_While I agree the new front end UI sucks hardcore, once you install a third party app to bypass it so you can boot to the desktop and have a start menu, it's on a par with Windows 7. Though I absolutely HATE the ribbon replacement for a proper menu.

back when Windows 8 came out in beta i got, installed it, & hated it lol I agree with you it runs great but those stupid squares lol (ugly part) but the functionality yucky IMO

I think people that were interested in the PC tablet market before Windows 8 release previews (say when Windows 7 tablet hardware was new) and researched it were well aware of the price range of the hardware. The Microsoft Surface pro and other Windows 8 PC (x86 / x64) tablets can be considered an Ivy Bridge upgrade from previous Sandy Bridge tablets. The prices in some cases are even lower by comparison.

I think the people suggesting the price should be lower aren’t using such a frame of reference and just wont it to be cheaper.

Give it 6 months, it will be about $599 by then...

LetsDoDamageJust going by what it says in article, so it is running 64-bit?

they are referring to it not being arm

Easy Rhinodon't forget that you immediately lose 16 GB of space due to the bloated OS. for the price, you should just buy a 64GB ipad 3 and get a much better display with a slicker OS, better battery life and better graphics performance.

www.techspot.com/news/50717-microsoft-surface-trounced-in-browser-benchmarks-ipad-3x-faster.html

Windows 8 Isn't Bloated At All. It's One Of The Smaller OSs From Msoft

I am sure there will be other win 8 pro tablets with more power efficient cpus like atom or amd's stuff with decent performance, better price and superior battery life. We just need to wait and see.

Am*Give it 6 months, it will be about $599 by then...

Well there are 64GB and 128GB SSD versions of the Microsoft Surface Pro and other Windows 8 x86 / x64 tablets with similar pricing in the market as well. Given the variety I can say with certainty that the above quote is inaccurate. There is virtually no way that both the ~$900 (64 GB SSD) and ~$1000 (128GB SSD) will both drop to $600.

Furthermore the logic that suggest a significant pending price drop like that (33% for the former and 40% for the latter) ignores the fact that there was no such price drop for their predecessors similar to this in the Windows 7 PC tablet market (even after models were replaced with Windows 8 tablets).

So if it didn’t happen before why would it happen now?

Also even if it did happen it likely would be a sign of serious problems in the PC market as a whole and serious economic issues beyond that if such a product could be so devalued in such a short time. It’s the type of thing people probably shouldn’t wish for,…..like AMD significantly dropping their prices even further,…given their tenuous position.

If anything I expect there “might” be some deals like possibly dropping the price of the attachable keyboards to nothing with purchase of a Surface Pro and maybe some cash off for a limited time but not ~$300 to ~$400 respectively,….

MS have lost the plot.

tacosRcoolToo bad they use an i3 and then the price would be nicer

Actually it's i5 Ivy Bridge

Drmark10.6 screen and an i5? Why not add a Invidia 690 with SLI and really jack the price up. For such a small screen it seems over powered and over priced. I would buy one if the screen was at least 18"+

Because, you know, heat and power. They're not aiming for the gaming community here. I don;t see how it's overprices compared to the competition (though IMHO it should be $100 cheaper since it doesn't include the keyboard).

Easy Rhinodon't forget that you immediately lose 16 GB of space due to the bloated OS. for the price, you should just buy a 64GB ipad 3 and get a much better display with a slicker OS, better battery life and better graphics performance.

But you wouldn't be able to do as much on it compared to Surface Pro (depending on your needs though, of course). I would argue with the OS part as well. IOS is far from slick. Yes it's refined and works and runs well, but it looks outdated and it takes so many steps to actually do anything in it.

SteevoI know we are moving to devices like this in the next few years, but I want to see an AMD fustion version.

Supposedly Surface 2 is AMD (take this with a massive grain of salt though) www.neowin.net/news/rumors-of-surface-tablet-successors-and-specs-appear