This setup with the new titan x would be nice.

I think I'd have a problem with such graphic card, because the hoses would get stuck into the PSU fan which is just like 2cm away from graphic card side. Same reason I'll be a bit worried over R9-390 models with similar cooling. I actually need WindForce 3X style cooling to work in my small case...

Overkill for a midrange card.

natr0nThis setup with the new titan x would be nice.

You can buy separately and put it on your Titan X whenever you want.

dwadeOverkill for a midrange card.

.... Mid range? Lol, k.

Dextar.... Mid range? Lol, k.

duh! GTX 970 is low end and GTX 960 is cheapest you can buy. :rolleyes:

Dextar.... Mid range? Lol, k.

GTX 980 is the upper mid range Maxwell GPU but it is mid range. Titan X, so far, is the only high end Maxwell.

GTX 980 5.2 billion transistors 2048 shaders 256 bit bus 224 GB/s memory bandwidth
Titan X 8 billion transistors 3072 shaders 384 bit bus 337 GB/s memory bandwidth

This Maxwell GTX 980 GM204 is the successor to the Kepler GTX 680 GK104 which was the upper mid range Kepler. If Nvidia releases a faster refresh for this GPU then it will be the successor to the Kepler GTX 770.

Dextar.... Mid range? Lol, k.

GTX 980 is built upon the mid-range Maxwell cheap. It was the fastest and highest-level Maxwell true, but it is mid-range. It's the same scenario that existed with Keplers originally and the GTX 680. The 680 was a mid-range Kepler, even if it was the highest 6-series sold (as a single unit card).

rtwjunkieGTX 980 is built upon the mid-range Maxwell cheap. It was the fastest and highest-level Maxwell true, but it is mid-range. It's the same scenario that existed with Keplers originally and the GTX 680. The 680 was a mid-range Kepler, even if it was the highest 6-series sold (as a single unit card).

Sorry, even if it's not the top level card, $450 to $500 isn't mid-range for what is essentially a toy.

Petey PlaneSorry, even if it's not the top level card, $450 to $500 isn't mid-range for what is essentially a toy.

It's not an opinion. Apparently you bought into the marketing. GM204 is not the full Maxwell chip, just like GK104 was not the full Kepler. You simply have to understand Nvidia's numbering and naming scheme, and look at the chip specs to see what their high, mid-range, and low-end chips are.

The price is based on the fact that they needed a high 900 series for sale and there was no need yet to release the full Maxwell because there was nothing comparable yet from AMD.

256-bit 165w card is firmly mid-range, by historical standards. The 384-bit on Titan X really helps minimum frame rates. The little brother 980 just isn't a heavy hitter. nVidia pulled a slick price hike. 980 is like a 560Ti in my view.

Steven Bduh! GTX 970 is low end and GTX 960 is cheapest you can buy. :rolleyes:

Bear in mind though that there are cheaper Maxwells than the GTX 960. The GTX 750 and 750 Ti are also Maxwells. They were the first two Maxwells to come out.

www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1986/geforce-gtx-750.html

www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2548/geforce-gtx-750-ti.html

People ought to stop using the completely obsolete term "mid range". A £500 gfx card is not mid range. By that definition, the 5930k Haswell E chip is mid range as the 5960k is the most expensive with higher spec. The 5930k is definitely NOT mid range, to say so is churlish and utterly inaccurate (it's a f**king Enthusiast part, as in Haswell E).

Similarly, GTX 980 is not mid range. It's high end. Stop using the fact it's GM204 to 'prove' it's mid range. The chip architecture is starting to mean less from Nvidia. Even GK104 was not mid range. It was superceded by the 780 (not Titan - a specialist part). 680 became 'last years' top end when 780 appeared.

If I have 10 gfx cards in a line up, the top card is the prestige part, then you will have high end (cards 9-7). Mid range would be 4-6, low range would be 2-3, bargain bucket would be 1.

Titan X is prestige part, GTX 980 is top range, GTX 970 is mid range, GTX 960 is low range. When we get a 980ti, 960ti or 950, we can re-evaluate the product stack. For now, I am right and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

Logic has spoken, be about your business.

EDIT: Xorbe's point about TDP is absolute nonsense. Power draw does not make a card high end and plain specs mean nothing next to their software implementation and efficiency.

the54thvoidPeople ought to stop using the completely obsolete term "mid range". A £500 gfx card is not mid range. By that definition, the 5930k Haswell E chip is mid range as the 5960k is the most expensive with higher spec. The 5930k is definitely NOT mid range, to say so is churlish and utterly inaccurate (it's a f**king Enthusiast part, as in Haswell E).

Similarly, GTX 980 is not mid range. It's high end. Stop using the fact it's GM204 to 'prove' it's mid range. The chip architecture is starting to mean less from Nvidia. Even GK104 was not mid range. It was superceded by the 780 (not Titan - a specialist part). 680 became 'last years' top end when 780 appeared.

If I have 10 gfx cards in a line up, the top card is the prestige part, then you will have high end (cards 9-7). Mid range would be 4-6, low range would be 2-3, bargain bucket would be 1.

Titan X is prestige part, GTX 980 is top range, GTX 970 is mid range, GTX 960 is low range. When we get a 980ti, 960ti or 950, we can re-evaluate the product stack. For now, I am right and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

Logic has spoken, be about your business.

:roll:

the54thvoidPeople ought to stop using the completely obsolete term "mid range". A £500 gfx card is not mid range. By that definition, the 5930k Haswell E chip is mid range as the 5960k is the most expensive with higher spec. The 5930k is definitely NOT mid range, to say so is churlish and utterly inaccurate (it's a f**king Enthusiast part, as in Haswell E).

Similarly, GTX 980 is not mid range. It's high end. Stop using the fact it's GM204 to 'prove' it's mid range. The chip architecture is starting to mean less from Nvidia. Even GK104 was not mid range. It was superceded by the 780 (not Titan - a specialist part). 680 became 'last years' top end when 780 appeared.

If I have 10 gfx cards in a line up, the top card is the prestige part, then you will have high end (cards 9-7). Mid range would be 4-6, low range would be 2-3, bargain bucket would be 1.

Titan X is prestige part, GTX 980 is top range, GTX 970 is mid range, GTX 960 is low range. When we get a 980ti, 960ti or 950, we can re-evaluate the product stack. For now, I am right and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

Logic has spoken, be about your business.

EDIT: Xorbe's point about TDP is absolute nonsense. Power draw does not make a card high end and plain specs mean nothing next to their software implementation and efficiency.

I guess if you are going to create a new category and call it Prestige then what you say makes sense. Most people categorize GPUs by Entry Level, Mid Range and High End. A gaming only version of the GM200 will be a High End card as well. Unless you want to call that an Entry Level Prestige card. :)

dwadeOverkill for a midrange card.

LMAO

64KI guess if you are going to create a new category and call it Prestige then what you say makes sense. Most people categorize GPUs by Entry Level, Mid Range and High End. A gaming only version of the GM200 will be a High End card as well. Unless you want to call that an Entry Level Prestige card. :)

Even without prestige, prior to Titan X, GTX 980 was the fastest single gpu on the market. It is high end on that basis alone and no other (even without factoring in price).

Now i'm off to play BF4 on my mid range 780ti's :roll:

the54thvoidEven without prestige, prior to Titan X, GTX 980 was the fastest single gpu on the market. It is high end on that basis alone and no other (even without factoring in price).

Now i'm off to play BF4 on my mid range 780ti's :roll:

No your two 780 Ti are High End Kepler Flagships for their generation.

Even though I bought one (GTX 680) I knew it was the upper mid range Kepler GPU and the GTX 780 was not it's successor.

GTX 680 GK104 3.5 billion transistors 1536 shaders 256 bit bus 192 GB/s memory bandwidth
GTX 780 GK110 7 billion transistors 2304 shaders 384 bit bus 288 GB/s memory bandwidth

Those two GPUs are in entirely different categories just like the 980 and Titan X are.

A new GTX-980Ti (6 or 8GB) would have been a more welcome announcement.

RealNeilA new GTX-980Ti (6 or 8GB) would have been a more welcome announcement.

We'll get that later. This series is repeating the 600/700 series almost exactly in how they release. We'll get a cut-down Full (high-end :D) Maxwell chip probably within 6 months. Remember before, the Titan came out, and then we finally got the full (cut-down for consumers) Kepler in the guise of a 780.

If I sell you a GT 720 for $499 the price doesn't suddenly make it mid-range. The specs do the talking in my book. And 980 hardware is not in the same league as classic 580 hardware. That was the last high-end x80 card.

64KThis Maxwell GTX 980 GM204 is the successor to the Kepler GTX 680 GK104 which was the upper mid range Kepler.

dont know why GTX 990 Dual GPU came to my mind...

Seems like they're testing out the solution they want ready by the time they're releasing the GM200-based parts that are allowed to use custom cooling solutions. Slapping it onto a 980-based board is probably a great way to get production up to snuff in time for that GM200-based consumer-oriented, less-than-$1k card.

dwadeOverkill for a midrange card.

Here we go again....

MxPhenom 216Here we go again....

i bet this was your face when you read it