Sony Xperia SI also have my personal needs for entertainment. But not at any cost.

I am saying that they are evil, shit and assholes not for nothing but because they never respect your salary amount and that you have plenty of other needs and costs and 99% of them are more important - like travelling, health, other entertainments, food, other electronic appliances for home, etc.

Did you even read what you quoted? We aren't talking about for entertainment. His justification was that some people need such boards for a LIVING. As in, for their very jobs.

Sony Xperia SI also have my personal needs for entertainment. But not at any cost.

I am saying that they are evil, shit and assholes not for nothing but because they never respect your salary amount and that you have plenty of other needs and costs and 99% of them are more important - like travelling, health, other entertainments, food, other electronic appliances for home, etc.

Is this where you are coming from?

Economics

Particularly in the early 19th century, several utopian ideas arose, often in response to their belief that social disruption was created and caused by the development of commercialism and capitalism. These are often grouped in a greater "utopian socialist" movement, due to their shared characteristics: an egalitarian distribution of goods, frequently with the total abolition of money, and citizens only doing work which they enjoy and which is for the common good, leaving them with ample time for the cultivation of the arts and sciences. One classic example of such a utopia was Edward Bellamy's Looking Backward. Another socialist utopia is William Morris' News from Nowhere, written partially in response to the top-down (bureaucratic) nature of Bellamy's utopia, which Morris criticized. However, as the socialist movement developed it moved away from utopianism; Marx in particular became a harsh critic of earlier socialism he described as utopian. (For more information see the History of Socialism article.) In a utopian society, the economy, concurrent with the ongoing theme, is perfect; there is no inflation, and perfect social and financial equality. However, in 1905 H.G. Wells published A Modern Utopia, which was widely read and admired and provoked much discussion. Also consider Eric Frank Russell's book The Great Explosion (1963) whose last section details an economic and social utopia. This forms the first mention of the idea of Local Exchange Trading Systems (LETS).

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Sony Xperia SI also have my personal needs for entertainment. But not at any cost.

I am saying that they are evil, shit and assholes not for nothing but because they never respect your salary amount and that you have plenty of other needs and costs and 99% of them are more important - like travelling, health, other entertainments, food, other electronic appliances for home, etc.

Why would Nvidia respect your salary amount? You don't NEED s top-level graphics card. How are they evil? Because they don't sell you something top-level that you can afford? That's your problem, not theirs. I can't afford them either without saving for awhile, because it's not a critical need. How are they evil? Because their goal is to make a profit?

It's a BUSINESS. Otherwise they would be a NPO. It's unbelievable your lack of knowledge of economics. That in itself would be fine if you weren't spouting off and showing the world how ignorant you are of how things are.

Oh, come on, you guys really are starting to be really irritating.

If some people are willing to pay 1K for cards for living, why would everyone else have to do the same?

And why should I stay with low-end card because I wasn't born in a country which sucks the resources from the whole globe, like the states or some western countries with colonies?

It's the ugliest discrimination based on country of origin.

Because you do nothing and can afford everything and I can have two-three jobs and not sleeping, risking my health, for surviving and not being able to afford.

Think like humans, not like evil profit-oriented reptiles.

Um yeah, I and everyone else do nothing. If you only knew how many people in the U.S. Are at or below the poverty line, and how many that aren't there have to work two to 3 jobs just to barely survive you'd stop the "rich" accusations.

@Sony Xperia S...I put myself through college so I COULD afford nice things!! Green really doesn't suit you well! Business is business no matter where a company is located in the world!

Sony Xperia SThink like humans, not like evil profit-oriented reptiles.

Really? :shadedshu:

Sony Xperia SOh, come on, you guys really are starting to be really irritating.

If some people are willing to pay 1K for cards for living, why would everyone else have to do the same?

And why should I stay with low-end card because I wasn't born in a country which sucks the resources from the whole globe, like the states or some western countries with colonies?

It's the ugliest discrimination based on country of origin.

Because you do nothing and can afford everything and I can have two-three jobs and not sleeping, risking my health, for surviving and not being able to afford.

Think like humans, not like evil profit-oriented reptiles.

You act like you need a high-end GPU, but you don't. Nvidia believes such cards should cost that much, and the people that buy them agree. Those that can't afford/choose not to buy said cards don't, and settle for lower performance.

If while working two or three jobs you can't afford high-end equipment, you do what a lot of people (including several that purchase $1k+ cards); live within your means. Either figure out a way to make more money to buy the toys you want, or be content with what you can afford.

I can't drop $1k on a GPU, but you don't see me complaining that Nvidia shouldn't charge what people are willing to pay.

@Sony Xperia S like the rest of the folks here, I put my hard work & studies 1st before rewarding myself with something cool with my hard-earned money. Just because you think vendors like Nvidia is "Evil" does not give you an entitlement to "hate" them. If this is plain jealousy towards others who have work their asses off & get the things they want, then I say you're being an immature prick barking up at the wrong tree. If you want it, work for it. No such thing as shortcuts in life. This is reality. Upgrading may be a daunting task for some, but those who dedicate their time, money & effort for it IS rewarding & gives the ultimate bragging rights.

Sony Xperia SOh, come on, you guys really are starting to be really irritating.

If some people are willing to pay 1K for cards for living, why would everyone else have to do the same?

And why should I stay with low-end card because I wasn't born in a country which sucks the resources from the whole globe, like the states or some western countries with colonies?

It's the ugliest discrimination based on country of origin.

Because you do nothing and can afford everything and I can have two-three jobs and not sleeping, risking my health, for surviving and not being able to afford.

Think like humans, not like evil profit-oriented reptiles.

This is really getting out of hand, you talk about discrimination? I work 6 days a week, am a single parent raising a 5 year old, wake every morning at 6AM to prepare everything so he can go to school, then go to my workplace for 9 hours straight, and basically don't stop working until 9PM when my son goes to bed.

Evil profit oriented reptiles? Who are you to judge other people for what they can or cannot afford? Who gave you that right? How old are you? 12?

News flash: some people bust their asses to earn their money day in and day out, all around the world, some were fortunate enough to be born in countries were luxury goods are readily available for those who can afford them, some people don't have that fortune. Some like me fought their way up to leave their countries of origin and were lucky enough to be able to move to a country where honest hard work is properly recognized and mostly well rewarded.

But for you to pass judgement on other human beings just based on such a frivolous thing as being to able to buy a expensive video card, or the corporations that charge pretty penny for such things, that is just plain wrong.

Did your parents teach you to throw rocks at people driving by on a Mercedes or a BMW just because they can afford it? No, right?

Get a life, there are way more important things in life than wasting your time passing judgment on people just because they like sharing their opinion on a tech forum.

I'm done with this thread, I tried, in a constructive way to contribute to it, even replying to some people criticizing me and other fellow forum users, with mostly respectful posts, but some people are just trolls, cannot be reasoned with, some people just want to see the world burn.

As far as the original topic, I've said it before, and I say it again: I'm extremely excited about Nvidia releasing the 980ti, if the level of performance I can get with my current card can be enjoyed by others at a much lower price, then the more power to my fellow PC gamers! :rockout:

Same for the 390X, I really hope the card can be every bit as fast as people expect it to be, who knows, if it is so, and is relatively affordable, it may even find a home in my current CF 290X rig. God knows AMD needs every single break they can get, and WE need a healthy AMD to keep both Intel and Nvidia in check.

I said the exact same thing when the 780Ti and 290X came out, live and let live man, we are all fellow gamers, part of a thriving community, let's just focus on what matters the most and realize we live in exciting times for anyone who enjoys gaming :rockout:

I buy Nvidia based cards for a REASON, not just by the numbers from benchies or from marketing gimmicks. All I know is that their newer line up has proved to be efficient, stronger, faster & doesn't eat much power than AMD cards for the same range. While I do know AMD cards are kinda decent for it's class but what makes me disappointed is they haven't make a fresh new chip from the ground up but to rely on 3 year old chips. How are you suppose to fight a competitor that has brand new arsenal that's theoretically worlds apart in terms of everything? Slashing prices on current products WILL NOT give enough profit if one wants to keep the company rolling.

@15th Warlock +1, well said and respect. I don't understand why some people just don't get something so basic. Yeah, we all want the good stuff, whatever it is, but companies will charge what the market will bear, not what is "fair", it's as simple as that. That's capitalism at work.

Perhaps Sony is actually a kid, which could explain it and we could cut him some slack if we knew that to be the case.

@Sony Xperia S are you a kid?

No, I think he's just like us but somewhat jealous at us who work hard, play hard & get the good stuff as a reward while getting/unlocking achievements in our personal lives... He somehow reminded me of a certain Singaporean dude who has a strong characteristics of a jealous human being just because others are hard-working while he just idly sit by, watching them with envy & then snapped a nerve.

qubit@15th WarlockPerhaps Sony is actually a kid, which could explain it and we could cut him some slack...

If that was the case they should show respect. None is ever shown. I'm glad I can't see (through the forums) what is being posted. If he's attacking people like 15thWarlock he should be handed the fucking ban stick. TPU mods seem to be way too tolerant of disruptive trolls. :shadedshu: I understand the whole freedom to express but in a community of like minded people, there has to be rules to abide to.

Old Confucius said: "A thoughtful man thinks before he speaks while the arrogant man speaks before he thinks." If you hate something, give a few solid reasons why instead of baseless assumptions. Always do your research 1st before doing so is important or else them like-minded folks will think of it the other way 'round.

@the54thvoid I know what you mean about the trolls. However, the situation seems to have gotten better in the last few months, although it still has some way to go. I've had a quite a few pm's about this with mods over these few months and I like to think it's made a difference here, as I'm often the target of these idiot trolls.

the54thvoidIf that was the case they should show respect. None is ever shown. I'm glad I can't see (through the forums) what is being posted. If he's attacking people like 15thWarlock he should be handed the fucking ban stick. TPU mods seem to be way too tolerant of disruptive trolls. :shadedshu: I understand the whole freedom to express but in a community of like minded people, there has to be rules to abide to.

He wasn't attacking me in particular, just plain trolling, filling this thread with hatred, nothing constructive, perhaps I should do the same thing you did and ignore his posts, problem is, when you see 5-6 people replying to the same person for trolling, you start wondering when it'll be dealt with.

don't worry. There are some who also hit me because I can afford something they can't & over-reacting at the news about GTX970's "memory controversy", "has 3.5GB VRAM instead of 4" & whatnots. I dun give a shit. Sometimes you just have to strike them hard to ensure they dun have a chance of fighting back with their BS made-up stories.

Honestly, I don't think Sony is trolling. I think they believe that bull about corporations and profit being evil and everything should be affordable to everyone who wants a product, no matter how unnecessary it is.

In the world of economy, competition is fierce. It's practically everywhere, from small scale, self-established supplier to mega-billion dollar companies. That is somewhat true. Corps & profits being an "evil entity" is not entirely true unless you're talking about China where they dun give shit about QC but wants to make fast cash while end users suffer & then gets bashed by health organizations along with others for the ride.

So, I have been staying out of this thread for the most part mainly because I thought all titan owners were idiots for buying the card priced that high and screwing it up for the rest of us. However, after reading the thread I came to some realizations and would like to apologize to all the titan owners for the bad things I said to myself. :)

While I still don't think the titans are worth the asking price, others do and that's ok. While, technically, I think the 970 and 980 are mid-range GPUs by naming scheme - their performance is comparable to the top tier of their competitors. It is crappy but also truly amazing what they have done with their products to be able to have a "mid range" card compete with top tier hardware from AMD.

That said, my 6850's are beyond their usefulness so whether the 980 is my next card, or the 390, life will be good.

For the record, I can't really afford the titan but I certainly do not believe I am entitled to purchase one for what I can afford, that is ludicrous. And yes I have a nice fat debt since I am paying for my BS degree.

Tsukiyomi91In the world of economy, competition is fierce. It's practically everywhere, from small scale, self-established supplier to mega-billion dollar companies. That is somewhat true. Corps & profits being an "evil entity" is not entirely true unless you're talking about China where they dun give shit about QC but wants to make fast cash while end users suffer & then gets bashed by health organizations along with others for the ride.

Actually, China is one of the best partners in the world now because their strategy is very customer-oriented with high quality products which correspond to the western products but are at a fraction of their cost.

One of the most prefered and valued partners (better than working with expensive western europe products) and I will push for strong partnership in that direction.

In this case it is absolutely fair that China was and will be the world's top economy.

Sony Xperia SActually, China is one of the best partners in the world now because their strategy is very customer-oriented with high quality products which correspond to the western products but are at a fraction of their cost.

One of the most prefered and valued partners (better than working with expensive western europe products) and I will push for strong partnership in that direction.

In this case it is absolutely fair that China was and will be the world's top economy.

Believe me man, you need some medications.

Sony Xperia SActually, China is one of the best partners in the world now because their strategy is very customer-oriented with high quality products which correspond to the western products but are at a fraction of their cost.

Because companies pay their workers very little wages! In Beijing, the average hourly wage is ~16 CNY which is equivalent to 2.57 USD.

EboIf R9 390X is going to be that beast, everybody expects(myself included) and can deliver grafics on par or even better than Titan X, then the price dosent really matter to me.
It would be very nice if the price could be down just about the 700 dollar mark, but even if it costs 800, for me that dosent matter if the preformance is there.

Yea rumor says 980ti is probably 700$ which it would be about right. But Rumor is that is price point for 390x, if its base card from amd's slides it will be 4gb card. At that point does comes to performance if they run neck and neck which sounds like they will, won't be good for AMD if that 390x uses power it looks like it could use.