cdawallThis is something you will see in the oil industry. They don't care about the price. 4.8% faster on a device that can make millions per hour is an acceptable purchase to them. Break that price down it will pay for itself.

TRUELOVE95ouch. My dad works as a senior chief engineer in an oil rig, and no matter what the management thinks improves performance, by that little iota if you know oil rigs the tools break down nearly every other day.

Management says %5.0 increase - awesome, the actual engineers know there is no difference because the damn tools break down anyway and expert engineers like my dad has to spend his nearly 20 hour days everyday fixing the mess.

cdawallServer farms aren't on rigs ;) these would be back in those offices that they sit their asses in cushy nice chairs and spend money from lol

cdawallI'm not that worried about overclocking my xeon to be fair. It chugs along in my server which is all I need. I actually have thought about kicking turbo off on it to drop wattage some more, but it really doesn't pull much it might be a 40w at the wall difference between maxed out across 12 cores and idle.

TRUELOVE95From being around them for 30 years listening to his work, I can just tell that the money they spend is stupid based on the management the inevitably hire. And most management, especially in engineering, know jack shit.

Server farms not in rigs?

I am not entirely sure, I avoid stressing my dad about his work, but I know for a fact he stares at more than thirty screens at a time full of information and data, so I am sure of computers crunching away on the rigs.

What do these server farms do?

cdawallThe guy I deal with (close friend works in the energy corridor of houston) has described the couple they have. One is a data center connecting this node to the others throughout the US, another is for geographical analysis and they have one for stuff he couldn't really go into detail with. The data center probably wouldn't have much improvement going to these, but the analysis machine would. Any improvements in speed make a difference in that.

dalekdukesboyTrue, but in many circumstances if you could overclock it imagine how much more work would get "done"? Also, they work perfectly fine in consumer boards so even if workstations don't care about overclocking generally why wouldn't you post the full tech specs on a piece of silicone? That's like not posting the horsepower on a vw bug because people don't buy them for speed/power...you still give the consumer all the info you can on your product that is relevant in how it runs.

TRUELOVE95Thanks, very interesting

I'll probably never know firsthand the work he does in the rig, and all these places he travelled to, but I know for a big guy he is very patient. Probably a must for that kind of quaters. I think he has been to nearly every part of the world, including one of the poles on our earth.

And houston sounds familiar, I know that is where he goes for training when the latest tech comes out.

ZeDestructorYou can find em, deep in the engineering and UEFI firmware development manuals. I'm lazy, so I just look up the relevant chip on wikipedia, then take the base multi and tack the turbo bins on top of that, nice and easy.



Just the fact you say "deep in the firmware manuals" indicates it's done that way intentionally to make sure they sell the locked processors and not make it too easy for people to get the unlocked ones even if they don't overclock they'd still choose it more often than not for that extra feature especially if priced similarly. Never tried looking it up on wikipedia that way but thanks that makes sense...long as info on wikipedia isn't crap on particular chip I look up lol.

cdawallAnd not talking about something simple minded people don't understand.

Aquinus5%. :laugh: Seriously, that's like having 25 more cores. If you're talking about serving content and distributed data processing, that 5% sounds small but, it's being applied to big numbers. From a strictly computational standpoint, 5% faster could mean 5% fewer servers. There can be pretty big cost savings from that perspective but, once again. We're talking about businesses where this matters. This matters for companies like Amazon, Google, and Rackspace... companies that provide cloud services.

dalekdukesboyJust the fact you say "deep in the firmware manuals" indicates it's done that way intentionally to make sure they sell the locked processors and not make it too easy for people to get the unlocked ones even if they don't overclock they'd still choose it more often than not for that extra feature especially if priced similarly. Never tried looking it up on wikipedia that way but thanks that makes sense...long as info on wikipedia isn't crap on particular chip I look up lol.

FrickI have no idea about this, but do those companies rebuild their farms that often? Do they upgrade all the CPU's say in the new server farm in northern Sweden whenever there's a new generation out? Again, honest question as I have no idea.

FrickSure I understood what you meant. You just said "device", which annoyed me. An iPhone is a device. A drill is a device. A server farm is not a device.

FrickI have no idea about this, but do those companies rebuild their farms that often? Do they upgrade all the CPU's say in the new server farm in northern Sweden whenever there's a new generation out? Again, honest question as I have no idea.

dalekdukesboyMeh, maybe partially true, but don't totally buy that either, very simple and easy bit to print on spec sheets not like "unlocked" or "Multiplier 13-48" takes up such vast space it's prohibitive. So I acknowledge that as part true and I already considered that, however I still believe my point is pretty easy to prove or substantiate as well.