Saturday, February 4th 2017
First Intel Processor with AMD Radeon Graphics Within 2017
Back in December, it was reported that Intel could license AMD's GPU technology for integration into its future processors. The whispers are growing louder, with Hard|OCP editor Kyle Bennett (who broke the original December story), reporting that the first product of this collaboration could be out within 2017. According to Bennett, posting on the Hard|OCP Forums, the first Intel product with AMD Radeon GPU IP could be a special processor with an AMD Radeon GPU die, and a CPU die based on the "Kaby Lake" micro-architecture.
Bennett further adds that the Radeon-enhanced Intel processor could be a multi-chip module (MCM) with the Radeon GPU die being separate from the CPU die, it won't be an on-die component such as Intel's own HD Graphics solution. This could also mean that AMD will supply nearly-finished dies to Intel, likely manufactured at its own trusted fabs (Global Foundries or TSMC), and not hand over sensitive designs over to Intel's fabs. The product could be an entry-mid range product, which means Intel is trying to aim for the value consumer segment, and not necessarily the workstation crowd. Bennett concludes that one could expect more collaboration between Intel and AMD over graphics IP in the future.
Source:
HardOCP
Bennett further adds that the Radeon-enhanced Intel processor could be a multi-chip module (MCM) with the Radeon GPU die being separate from the CPU die, it won't be an on-die component such as Intel's own HD Graphics solution. This could also mean that AMD will supply nearly-finished dies to Intel, likely manufactured at its own trusted fabs (Global Foundries or TSMC), and not hand over sensitive designs over to Intel's fabs. The product could be an entry-mid range product, which means Intel is trying to aim for the value consumer segment, and not necessarily the workstation crowd. Bennett concludes that one could expect more collaboration between Intel and AMD over graphics IP in the future.
77 Comments on First Intel Processor with AMD Radeon Graphics Within 2017
Only way anyone will come to market with x86 is thru an ARM chip with some form of emulation, bit like the Snapdragon 835 partnership with Microsoft.
www.cnet.com/news/intel-via-bury-the-hatchet/
If you look at their x86 CPU releases they have not released a new cpu since 2011, which would follow the agreement running out in 2013.
www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Continuum
It's just full screen Windows Phone applications on monitor/laptop with native support for keyboard and mice. A convenience feature.
ARM would do a terrible job emulating x86. x86 can easily emulate ARM though.
1:31 it has to be a Windows on Windows emulator not unlike what x86-64 Windows already uses to emulate x86 applications. That's pretty impressive.
in fact very wrong
have a read here ( and in case you cannot be bothered )
www.nvidia.com/page/uli_m6117c.html
M6117C
386SX Embedded Microcontroller
Product Overview
The M6117C is a highly integrated, low voltage, single-chip implementation of Intel? 386SX compatible microprocessor plus ULi M1217B chipset. The M6117C provides the following functions : 1) Intel? 386SX core 2)Supports EDO DRAM controller including FP mode 3) Coprocessor Interface 4) ISA interface 5) Peripheral Interface (includes two cascaded 8237 DMA controllers, a 74612 memory mapper, 2 cascaded 8259 interrupt controller, and an 8254 programmer counter 6) Built-in RTC 7) Built-in PS2 Keyboard Controller and Mouse 8)Built-in WATCHDOG timer 9)16-bit GPI/O10) IDE interface.
Features
Static Intel 386SX compatible Core
- Operating Power Supply 5.0V
- Operating frequency 25Mhz to 40Mhz
Coprocessor Interface- Supports 80387SX coprocessor interface
- Memory Controller
- Supports EDO DRAM
- Supports on board memory size up to 16M bytes for 386SX or
- 64M bytes upgrade system using 256K, 512K, 1M, 4M or 16M
- SIMMs
- Supports up to 4-bank DRAM interface
- Page interleave DRAM access for FP mode
- Programmable shadow RAM from A to B segment in 128K byte and C to F segment in 32K byte unit
- Provides "RAS only" refresh or "CAS before RAS" refresh types
- Parity generation and checking
OK Sir Not an ARM binary translator But a FULL BLOWN x86 ChipProduction Ceased and There was no further Development was made Because Intel would not extend their licence to include later patents for new x86 instruction sets and other developments.
So for Nvidia Despite having a licence they had an Intel Brick wall built in their path
And So they Discontinued x86 Development
If this has merit it's with the fact the deal with Nvidia is not getting renewed, and AMD will cross-license some older IP as to shader design etc; so Intel to design new iGPU, but not at the level that can't ever really compete with AMD's APU.
While perhaps Apple is buying from both Intel and RTG and looking to use both in developing a MCM that uses a custom graphics and a custom CPU (small and no iGPU) for upcoming Macbook Pro and iMacs.
If you will recall Intel took the lead with the ""Core" series, and then cemented their domination with the "i" series. Right when the "i" series came out, they started making integrated graphics.
That is no coincidence. Intel invested in graphics when it made little financial sense to further invest in their CPU architectures. There's no point in wasting money on something that needs no extra capital to keep printing money. That money would be better used investing in products that will give you further advantages.
iGPU's did help Intel a lot. They allowed Intel to more easily capture Apple and much of the notebook market once companies realized they could save money and battery life with Intel's APU designs.
However now AMD will once again bring heavy competition to Intel's CPU's, and at the same time Intel has hit a wall in how strong they can efficiently make their own iGPU's. Thus it is just good business to save money and have someone else fill in that gap (AMD).
Don't forget that XBOX One's have Sony Blu Ray players. Good business is just good business.
Considering the PS4 is constantly sold out, and the PS4S is outselling the XB1S while making a higher profit per unit; I would say they made the right choice from a business perspective.
Don't be surprised if similar things happen with AMD graphics in Intel chips ;)
Hyper-Threading can get -10% to +40% performance out of 8 threads versus 4 threads. It'll be interesting to see how Ryzen compares.
AMD shares surge on a report of laptop chip deal with Intel to fight off Nvidia
newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-processor-combine-high-performance-cpu-discrete-graphics-sleek-thin-devices/
Not concrete enough for ya?
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It's confusing from both sides though ,by all accounts it's gpu will trounce what Amds Apu has , even their new raven ridge Apu.
Why help your competition equal your advantage.
Odd but perhaps theirs more to it.