You can't pretend that there was a significant number of ppl who returned their product for whatever reason, which happens in every product, but you can pretend it.

There were people returning it here on these very forums. Just because there were others willing to buy does not make the returns and disappointment some had invalid.

I guess promising 40% ipc over bd and delivering 50%+ or benching it against a 6900k and beating it before release and after release, also delivering a more power efficient chip in a less mature 14nm node is NOT delivering by the "hype".

Hype was promising a Skylake-esque or better IPC. I'd seriously go fetch forum quotes, but I don't really want to shame people.

It's quite a great chip. You seem to be missing the other point I'm making. Hype is by nature, not sustainable. At least not beyond a threshhold, and one it seems to exceed rather easily in many tech products.

Trolls at wccftech are smarter than you... Well some are pretty dumb but make more accurate points than you.

Thank you for the feedback.

YorgosThere was shortage everywhere, cpu, motherboars, well escpecially motherboards, ram prices are too high yet ppl built systems like crazy and this was not even the budget or midrange cpu, it was the 300+$ market.
You can't pretend that there was a significant number of ppl who returned their product for whatever reason, which happens in every product, but you can pretend it.
I guess promising 40% ipc over bd and delivering 50%+ or benching it against a 6900k and beating it before release and after release, also delivering a more power efficient chip in a less mature 14nm node is NOT delivering by the "hype". All that with the price of 6900 cut in half? What did you expect a spacestation or a z13 chip?

Trolls at wccftech are smarter than you... Well some are pretty dumb but make more accurate points than you.

ya know... Im pretty sure you dont understand his point at all (which makes that last sentence all the more ironic).
He says that "hype" leads to unrealistic expectations, so yes the hype was indeed making people expect a "spacestation or a z13 chip".
Which in the end seems to damage a products name.
On the other hand "hype" keeps getting generated.
Perhaps hype reaches more people than "being realistic" so it helps sales.
Intel announcing something new with a 15% performance increase is just yawn inducing from the start so nobody is even slightly interested in that.
I personally think that hype does more good then bad in terms of sales.

YorgosAccording to your 480 review, you'd rather steal and get some more money to buy a novidia card.

I have never done a 480 review.

So, why would you suggest something opposing the site's long tradition of novidia loving?

???

I remember when TPU was like the AMD stronghold of the internet, bios mods and all. Ok, now you've officially baffled me.

ZoneDymoI personally think that hype does more good then bad in terms of sales.

It may. I don't know for certain but I strongly believe longterm disappointment is worse than short term sales via hype. No facts to support it though.

So, according to what i've read,
Hype == tpu forum posts
Hype != what amd said
Facts == tpu forum posts
Market reaction == tpu forum posts

You know I cannot do anything but eat pop corn while reading about your special sandbox at the forums.

Since you are talking about tpu hype then, don't be afraid, you don't cause any bad to amd, you are just a drop in the ocean of the tech sites.
When you see tpu usersbuy amd and return it, it means that your bias is working, you are red pilling everyone to your likings.
I mentioned w1zzard's conclusion in the 480 review... And that's what reflects every corner of this site.

R-T-BI have never done a 480 review.



???

I used remember when TPU was like the AMD stronghold of the internet, bios mods and all. Ok, now you've officially baffled me.

Your review as in tpu review.

Hype == tpu forum posts
Hype != what amd said
Facts == tpu forum posts
Market reaction == tpu forum posts

I'll address these in order.

1.) No. Hype=anyone online saying anything positive during the hyping phase. This includes SOME tpu users, but certainly not all.
2.) Companies don't tend to hype their own products, no. They state what they think they can reasonably achieve, because unlike hypsters, they know what they got. (yes, I am aware I just invented that word).
3.) No way! So many false things have been said by our users, I don't think everything found here is factual by any means.
4.) Some people here returned their product. That's really all I'm basing it on is what I hear online, if it makes you feel better.

Your review as in tpu review.

I can't speak for other reviewers. I can only say that I had nothing to do with that and cannot comment either way as I am not a product reviewer. I can say however I do not believe anyone on this site to harbor a strong bias towards any brand.

Go home Yorgos. The 'TPU is an Nvidia shill' attack is lame and highly inaccurate. That reviews don't support your world view is your problem. While forum members are most definitely biased in some regards, the site isn't.
FWIW, i am buying Ryzen and i am buying a 1080ti. Oh noes, I'm a bi-fanboy.

YorgosSo, according to what i've read,
Hype == tpu forum posts
Hype != what amd said
Facts == tpu forum posts
Market reaction == tpu forum posts

You know I cannot do anything but eat pop corn while reading about your special sandbox at the forums.

Since you are talking about tpu hype then, don't be afraid, you don't cause any bad to amd, you are just a drop in the ocean of the tech sites.
When you see tpu usersbuy amd and return it, it means that your bias is working, you are red pilling everyone to your likings.
I mentioned w1zzard's conclusion in the 480 review... And that's what reflects every corner of this site.

Careful now, W1z may turn you into a frog and the only Princes here are ugly dudes.

medi01It can NOT not wipe the floor with it.

Bigger chip usually means lower clocks. 1200 MHz is getting thrown around a lot. GTX 1080 Ti reference clock is 1582 MHz.

uuuaaaaaaRecently 687F:C3 appeared on SiSoftware Sandra 2015 and it beats the the gtx1080 by 35% in this particular benchmark.

ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcdf4d2b3d2efdbe9dcebdaebcdbf82b294f194a999bfccf1c9&l=en

Now that is interesting: 4096 shaders, 64 compute units, 8 GiB HBM (2 x 4 GiB stacks). The former two we already more or less knew, the latter is kind of disappointing but not very (was expecting 16 GiB). Hopefully 4 GiB stacks translates to a lower price.

Hyper train to VegaVegas thats a gamblers train at the moment

I'm going to get a Vega come hell or high water. I just need a damn price already. Hurry up AMD before I get bored and get a 1080.

uuuaaaaaashown running Doom 2016 4K 60fps and it appears to perform a little bit faster than a gtx 1080.

60fps is a good deal faster (20%) than 1080.

the54thvoidWhile forum members are most definitely biased in some regards, the site isn't.

It's hard to really accept that FB post title as "not biased", frankly.

FordGT90ConceptBigger chip usually means lower clocks. 1200 MHz is getting thrown around a lot. GTX 1080 Ti reference clock is 1582 MHz.

1080 is 66% of 1080Ti and about 60% of bigger Vega.

R-T-BI remember when TPU was like the AMD stronghold of the internet, bios mods and all. Ok, now you've officially baffled me.

Yep that is how I got here I was the 9800 Pro to XT Guru back in the day :pimp:

the54thvoidGo home Yorgos. The 'TPU is an Nvidia shill' attack is lame and highly inaccurate. That reviews don't support your world view is your problem. While forum members are most definitely biased in some regards, the site isn't.
FWIW, i am buying Ryzen and i am buying a 1080ti. Oh noes, I'm a bi-fanboy.

....no no no you must choose one side

either your:

Amd



or

Nvdia


(younger generation might not get this)

Prima.VeraWat hype? The card is smashed to pieces by Titan and 1080Ti in this "benchmark":

Different versions of drivers, and we're talking about a card that was not even launched :P Yes the 1080Ti is above everyone but it's a very good card also. I think AMD is making a big mistake in (again) continuing with this stupid idea of posting irrelevant tests (benchmarks). To be honest I think AMD just doesn't get it or doesn't understand what people want. Nobody wants interesting technologies, different cheaper or free technologies. Gamers want just one thing: FPS numbers at different resolutions (1080p, 1440p, 4K or whatever in between). Just that. Game developers without being payed will never develop a game with technologies from both AMD and Nvidia, they will expect one of these two to pay them and then develop the game with a particular technology. AMD wanted multicore which is a big irrevelant technology in gaming and or anything else to be honest (except some programs that I don't really use) and they wanted also to support DX12 which was again a dumb idea. Now AMD has nothing, nor a very good CPU at gaming, or a very good GPU at gaming. That's the real problem that well... people tend to forget. AMD just doesn't have the money or the vision to choose the right path. Zen was an amazing opportunity, wasted, Polaris (X400 series) was again an amazing opportunity wasted also. 500 series with a Polaris refresh should be sold as X405 series and that will be fair to the people that might buy those cards and well rather than going for benchamarks that mean nothing, AMD should focus on a card that beats the 1080p, but it's less expensive. Also good drivers, with less irrelevant things (I can count some here also) and maybe with just GDDR5 not HBM).

uuuaaaaaaThere are various vega revisions/versions. The CompuBench 687F:C1 is the same that has been shown running Doom 2016 4K 60fps and it appears to perform a little bit faster than a gtx 1080. 687F:C1 appears to be running at 1200MHz and that would fall short of the 12.5TFlops reported for the Radeon MI25.

Recently 687F:C3 appeared on SiSoftware Sandra 2015 and it beats the the gtx1080 by 35% in this particular benchmark.

ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcdf4d2b3d2efdbe9dcebdaebcdbf82b294f194a999bfccf1c9&l=en

Hmm now there is something!

FordGT90ConceptBigger chip usually means lower clocks. 1200 MHz is getting thrown around a lot. GTX 1080 Ti reference clock is 1582 MHz.


Now that is interesting: 4096 shaders, 64 compute units, 8 GiB HBM (2 x 4 GiB stacks). The former two we already more or less knew, the latter is kind of disappointing but not very (was expecting 16 GiB). Hopefully 4 GiB stacks translates to a lower price.

I think Amd announced vega new memory architecture include High Bandwidth cache and 512TB virtual address space
Will lower the need for more memory

AlduinI think Amd announced vega new memory architecture include High Bandwidth cache and 512TB virtual address space
Will lower the need for more memory

Uh rolled around laughing at this
Are you Sure citation please I'll go and get the popcorn while you find that citation 512 TB :)

dorsetknobUh rolled around laughing at this
Are you Sure citation please I'll go and get the popcorn while you find that citation 512 TB :)

AMD's own slides ;) :

hothardware.com/gallery/Article/2565?image=big_vega-512tb.jpg&tag=popup

hothardware.com/reviews/amd-vega-gpu-architecture-details-revealed

They have also shown a demo of Vega capped to 2GB smoothly running the new Deus X vs regular Vega to show the advantages of this technology.

Well, unfortunately this generation is looks like they are focusing only up to the GTX 1080 and not the upper 1080ti and Titan XP. Even if its bests the 1080 they still will not be close to the best on the GPU this go round and then it will just be a waiting game all over again.

All aboard!!! Train preparing to leave station...

GhostRyderWell, unfortunately this generation is looks like they are focusing only up to the GTX 1080 and not the upper 1080ti and Titan XP. Even if its bests the 1080 they still will not be close to the best on the GPU this go round and then it will just be a waiting game all over again.

well it all depends on what most people need and the price

INSTG8RYep that is how I got here I was the 9800 Pro to XT Guru back in the day :pimp:

A solemn salute to you for that sir. You are a legend from an age of technology mostly forgotten, but a legend all the same.

ZoneDymowell it all depends on what most people need and the price

Yea, depending on its performance it could still end up being a good value and very competitive in that range. I just am sad because it means the upper echelon will be without much competition keeping those prices high.

medi01Hello hater.

Ryzen was HOPED to reach Haswell IPC, it actually reached Broadwell.

This is great if you don't take into account actual clockspeed when comparing similar ipc, also the absolutely nutso pricepoints amd is putting the 1800x at.

But keep bragging about arbitrary numbers if it makes you feel better i guess.