Friday, June 16th 2017

AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition TDP and Pricing Revealed

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AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition goes on sale later this month (26 June). It is designed to provide a "gateway" to the "Vega" GPU architecture for graphics professionals and game developers alike, with the consumer graphics product, the Radeon RX Vega, is bound for late-July/early-August. Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition, being a somewhat "enterprise-segment" product, was expected to have slightly lower TDP than its consumer-graphics sibling, since enterprise-segment implementations of popular GPUs tend to have slightly restrained clock speeds. Apparently, AMD either didn't clock the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition low, or the chip has extremely high TDP.

According to specifications put out by EXXACT, a retailer which deals with enterprise hardware, the air-cooled variant of the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition has a TDP rated at 300W, while its liquid-cooled variant has its TDP rated as high as 375W. To put this in perspective, the consumer-segment TITAN Xp by NVIDIA has its TDP rated at 275W. EXXACT is claiming big performance advantages in certain enterprise benchmarks such as SPECVIEWPERF and Cinebench. In other news, the air-cooled Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition is reportedly priced at USD $1,199; while the liquid-cooled variant is priced at $1,799. Based on the 14 nm "Vega 10" silicon, the Pro Vega Frontier Edition features 4,096 stream processors and 16 GB of HBM2 memory across a 2048-bit memory interface.

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123 Comments on AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition TDP and Pricing Revealed

#76
xkm1948
EarthDogWhat?
During FuryX release, it was called an overclockers' dream.

As someone who's been using FuryX right from the launch, I got say the overclocking sucks ass. It is hot, it is slow.

VEGA is shaping up to be another Fury. Bad efficiency and probably overclocked to the max from factory.
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#77
B-Real
HTCJust a question: why are they comparing an "enterprise segment" card (Vega Frontier edition) to a gaming card (Titan Xp)?
Very easy to answer: because the Titan Xp is NOT a gaming card either.
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#78
HTC
B-RealVery easy to answer: because the Titan Xp is NOT a gaming card either.
But it's sold as one.
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#79
B-Real
HTCBut it's sold as one.
I don't see it advertised as a gaming card. Moreover, who would buy a card for an extra 500$ instead of the 1080Ti for gaming, when it delivers the same performance?
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#80
R-T-B
B-RealI don't see it advertised as a gaming card. Moreover, who would buy a card for an extra 500$ instead of the 1080Ti for gaming, when it delivers the same performance?
It doesn't even have DP FP.

It can pretty much only BE a gaming card.

It's marketed as an extreme gaming option.
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#81
HTC
R-T-BIt doesn't even have DP FP.

It can pretty much only BE a gaming card.

It's marketed as an extreme gaming option.
Exactly.
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#82
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the54thvoidI'm sure Vega will be a big hit but with HBM2 it's going to have limited production and be costly or at least of low profit to AMD. What's more important is that so many upgrades that were waiting on Vega (myself included) went for a 1080ti.
Even if Vega is the same or a bit faster, the card I now own is way fast enough for anything I need.

Shame really.
1080 ti is fast enough, but what did you have before that you had to upgrade anyway? I have a gtx760, because I used to be a mid-range guy and now I want to improve my video/stream quality, so I have to massively upgrade soon and I might as well get the best of the best and I like freesync monjtors more generally speaking.

Nobody cares if AMD makes little profit either, as long as they get back in the high-end game first. I think they nailed their return, but it really depends on drivers and game optimization. We shall see. 10 bucks says rx vega is going to beat 1080 ti and will be competitive with volta!
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#83
efikkan
Currently, Polaris needs quite a bit more computational power to compete with Pascal. So if that's still somewhat the case with Vega, consuming 300W to get 13 TFlop/s is not good news.
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#84
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efikkanCurrently, Polaris needs quite a bit more computational power to compete with Pascal. So if that's still somewhat the case with Vega, consuming 300W to get 13 TFlop/s is not good news.
Not 300W consumption, 300W max consumption if it doesn't get too hot first, which it will. 250 or less realistically and 275W max. Always check if it's system power draw or gpu power draw in reviews btw.

I expect the watercooling version to have 14tflop/s and much higher clocks with 300W power draw max. if the AIO is rubbish.

Efficiency still won't be great, but definitely no polaris type situation.
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#85
EarthDog
xkm1948During FuryX release, it was called an overclockers' dream
ahh, another who misunderstood what they were talking about (perfectly understandable). Gotcha. :)
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#86
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
EarthDogahh, another who misunderstood what they were talking about (perfectly understandble). Gotcha. :)
To be fair no one really understands what on earth AMD is talking about during press releases. Remember they also said two 480's where better than a 1080, during a press release
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#87
efikkan
Hugh MungusNot 300W consumption, 300W max consumption if it doesn't get too hot first, which it will. 250 or less realistically and 275W max. Always check if it's system power draw or gpu power draw in reviews btw.
For comparison, both GTX 1080 Ti and Titan Xp have a TDP of 250W. There is no way a TDP of ~300W is good news.
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#88
EarthDog
cdawallTo be fair no one really understands what on earth AMD is talking about during press releases. Remember they also said two 480's where better than a 1080, during a press release
truth. Though, i was sitting there during the presentation we all saw. I understood it under the context of which they were speaking, cooling headroom.
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#89
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Vega Frontier Edition is a premium card for corporate customers. I suspect they went balls to the wall with the thermals/power because they could. This card is a really poor metric to measure the consumer cards by.
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#90
Blueberries
Hugh MungusSo it's a different type of gpu. Essentially it's kinda titan competition with some pro stuff thrown in, not actually an über-pro card or a gaming card. There has to be some strange other pro card at some point for a higher price that will have less compute power, but will perform better in specific pro stuff that will compete with quadro.
At some point when you have to fumble to come up with a half-ass explanation like this it's probably best to just call a spade a spade.
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#91
toilet pepper
I NoAfter the major cock-up they pulled @ Computex? How can one not be a sceptic regarding this. Also charging $600 on cooling I'm sorry to say it, justifies jack-all. Furthermore how do we know that this will deliver? So far everything is in Limbo with a paper lunch on the way.
Well paying $100 more for a $hi++y blower cooler compared to AIBs makes a lot more sense then.
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#92
Unregistered
BlueberriesAt some point when you have to fumble to come up with a half-ass explanation like this it's probably best to just call a spade a spade.
Read the comment above yours if you want someone else explaining it a bit better.
#93
HD64G
At least someone will provide us with a review of the FE edition and then we will know about efficiency, thermals and power consumtpion. Not so much about gaming performance though until RX Vega launches.
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#94
S@LEM!
oh my, this gonna be a hell of a card, and with our weather here reaching 45C+ that's no good news at all.
all those years of development and they just came up with more Fury X card.

you know what funny though, ATi has never stuck to their TDP, it's not a MAX TDP for them, ATI quite known for EXCEEDING that TDP figure. so you can imagine how hell it's gonna be

----> 1070GTX here I come
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#95
the54thvoid
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Hugh Mungus1080 ti is fast enough, but what did you have before that you had to upgrade anyway? I have a gtx760, because I used to be a mid-range guy and now I want to improve my video/stream quality, so I have to massively upgrade soon and I might as well get the best of the best and I like freesync monjtors more generally speaking.

Nobody cares if AMD makes little profit either, as long as they get back in the high-end game first. I think they nailed their return, but it really depends on drivers and game optimization. We shall see. 10 bucks says rx vega is going to beat 1080 ti and will be competitive with volta!
980ti. The 1080ti is a far superior card, more than I thought it would be (and my 980ti was fast). I game at 1440p and don't worry about 144fps, even then no single card will run that across the board, not even Vega.
Playing BF1 at settings maxed getting around 130-140 fps average is pretty sweet. For the first time, I have a card that doesn't have ANY issues. The 980ti wasn't perfect but this one is, for me.

Even if Vega manages to beat my card, I neither have the desire or funds to get it. And that's still kind of my point, due to how long Vega has taken to come out, AMD have lost a lot from the high end consumer.
As for Vega matching Volta, choose a Volta. If you think it will match GV102, I really, really don't think so. GV104, maybe as the mid range xx80 card tend to match the last gen xx80ti.
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#96
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
I just fail to see why we should discuss performance when we can discuss that gold shroud instead. Seriously, am i the only one loving the looks on that? The blue is nice too, as they have been for a bit now.
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#97
Italia1
Not good card. I hoped in same performance but lower tdp (250 max). This time i think i must change from Amd to Nvidia for GPU...
... or simply they need stability, so "tdp" is for 300/ 375 W, but power used is much lower.
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#98
Caring1
FrickI just fail to see why we should discuss performance when we can discuss that gold shroud instead. Seriously, am i the only one loving the looks on that? The blue is nice too, as they have been for a bit now.
While I love the monoblock look of the gold shroud, it makes me question how the AIO cooler effectively cools the entire card, without the use of a supplemental fan like most LC cards.
I would have thought they would have used a modified version of the blue shroud with fan.
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#99
Unregistered
the54thvoid980ti. The 1080ti is a far superior card, more than I thought it would be (and my 980ti was fast). I game at 1440p and don't worry about 144fps, even then no single card will run that across the board, not even Vega.
Playing BF1 at settings maxed getting around 130-140 fps average is pretty sweet. For the first time, I have a card that doesn't have ANY issues. The 980ti wasn't perfect but this one is, for me.

Even if Vega manages to beat my card, I neither have the desire or funds to get it. And that's still kind of my point, due to how long Vega has taken to come out, AMD have lost a lot from the high end consumer.
As for Vega matching Volta, choose a Volta. If you think it will match GV102, I really, really don't think so. GV104, maybe as the mid range xx80 card tend to match the last gen xx80ti.
Should've waited if you don't have a g-sync monitor.
#100
HD64G
Italia1Not good card. I hoped in same performance but lower tdp (250 max). This time i think i must change from Amd to Nvidia for GPU...
... or simply they need stability, so "tdp" is for 300/ 375 W, but power used is much lower.
As you said, max power of the board is 300/375W in order for the owner to be able to oc it. Not the actual power consumption figure. It should be very clear to anyone related to computer HW for a few years even as a hobby.
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