Wow , too bad ISOhunt, and good job piratebay! Breaking the law...

Another grand bs story from the Inquirer... You see technically allowing someone to download a file from your computer is not illegal. Downloading it is not illegal, if you personally own whatever it is you are downloading. Thanks to sites like that I have been able to replace my banged up cd with my media source for my old Audigy LS. They can sue and sue and try to shut them down, but point is it wont really happen, they may pop one or two to make a point, but then 10 more will show up in place.

niko084Another grand bs story from the Inquirer... You see technically allowing someone to download a file from your computer is not illegal. Downloading it is not illegal, if you personally own whatever it is you are downloading. Thanks to sites like that I have been able to replace my banged up cd with my media source for my old Audigy LS. They can sue and sue and try to shut them down, but point is it wont really happen, they may pop one or two to make a point, but then 10 more will show up in place.

Sharing the files is illegal - maybe in the case you are talking about it could be legal, but as with P2P and torrenting you aren't controlling who it goes to you are therefore probably supplying it to people who do not have the right to use it and that is against the law. People try and find loopholes to get out of it, but at the end of the day it's just trying to justify something that is known to be wrong.

In your case I agree you should be able to use the music you own (I don't know whether this is legal, probably varies from country to country), but you have to admit most people don't use it for legal reasons.

If you go to the site it seems they already have a new ISP, the big issues seems to be that the old ISP doesn't want to give them back their files, so the site might never be the same if they have to start over from scratch.

No backups , serves them right. No pun intended.

No off site backups, serves them right. My guess would be they let their ISP handle the backups, which is true for a lot of websites.

It looks like torrents are dying out. It will be a sad day when we have to pay excessive prices for everything to get it legaly =/

Wrong again. P2P sites are just locators for others who posses a file you want or need. Basically its like a switchboard operator. I need X file, Y person has X file and so does W, T and Z persons. I download the pieces from all of them and its recompiled on my hard drive. So in essence, you arent supplying the file, just a place for people to meet. Its sad that most of the stuff is illegally obtained, but 90% of the folks on here use torrents, mIRC, P2P to snatch files they dont own. Some do it for files they own or cds they own, but are beyond repair or cant be attained by normal means. There is two sides to this story, but in essence both are right. They may not hose the files, but they point folks in the direction to get them.

WarEagleAUWrong again. P2P sites are just locators for others who posses a file you want or need. Basically its like a switchboard operator. I need X file, Y person has X file and so does W, T and Z persons. I download the pieces from all of them and its recompiled on my hard drive. So in essence, you arent supplying the file, just a place for people to meet. Its sad that most of the stuff is illegally obtained, but 90% of the folks on here use torrents, mIRC, P2P to snatch files they dont own. Some do it for files they own or cds they own, but are beyond repair or cant be attained by normal means. There is two sides to this story, but in essence both are right. They may not hose the files, but they point folks in the direction to get them.

They are an accessory to a crime. End of story. That's like saying I can fund terrorist organizations with pictures/plans/locations of targets - and I shouldn't be held responsible. Pirates are the biggest bunch of weasel cry babies. They act as if they are doing absolutely nothing wrong. We all believe that they are just hosting torrents to obtain freeware, yeh that's it. :rolleyes:

infraredIt looks like torrents are dying out. It will be a sad day when we have to pay excessive prices for everything to get it legaly =/

If I did illegally download stuff (which I honestly don't... my ISP blocks it! I prob wouldn't anyway) then I would always torrent. From the experience I have had P2P like Limewire has so much spyware and so many viruses that it's almost useless. Although torrenting and P2P are quite similar nowadays, there is still a clear line between the two and torrents don't seem to suffer quite as much malware.

Sooner or later all Pirate sites will be shut down. The whining means absolutely nothing in a court of law. You commit the crime, you do the time. THAT folks is reality theater.

bornfreeSooner or later all Pirate sites will be shut down.

I'm not for piracy, but I honestly can't see all pirate sites being shut down - news ones will always pop up. Even if the whole world took a dictator-style approach to the issue, people would still try and fight it.

niko084Another grand bs story from the Inquirer... You see technically allowing someone to download a file from your computer is not illegal. Downloading it is not illegal, if you personally own whatever it is you are downloading. Thanks to sites like that I have been able to replace my banged up cd with my media source for my old Audigy LS. They can sue and sue and try to shut them down, but point is it wont really happen, they may pop one or two to make a point, but then 10 more will show up in place.

Actually I don't think any country has clear laws on this. Even if some do you're still talking about a global issue, local laws aren't very effective there.

Dutch laws on music for excample say we are free to download and copy CD's, however uploading music is still illegal. Which is rather odd since you can borrow your buddy your new CD and let him LEGALLY copy it. You can backup a movie but cannot go around any security measures to do so. Software is always a no go.
There isn't a clear law on P2P networks specifically.

Also, you don't OWN music, you only own a license so use it, which is totally different in court. As far as I know that counts in the USA as well. You can't download a game, if your disk is damaged you need to contact the manufacturer/store and you can get a replacement disk.

I do agree that it's rather pointless to fight it, the best way to counter it is to lower CD prices (they're outrageous) and make decent CDs. Just look at the average CD, sound quality is a joke, many are mixed to be cubicles (just open a CD in some sound editing program)
However, greed is human, so they won't learn.

Huh... freakin gay MPAA, RIAA getting into foreign affairs. Can't they take care of their own country? Half the medium used for CDs these days suck (not to mention the fragile packaging), as mentioned above, the sound quality is rather poor for a CD. Basically we don't get the "maximum quality" type of stuff these days, which CDs were meant for! So its not that much value buying the CDs. I usually want to buy CDs for the quality which they hold... but these days its no different to a 128kbps file.

tkpenaltybut these days its no different to a 128kbps file.

your lucky if it's that good:mad:

ISOHunt will return by Friday.

Torrents are far from gone.

DanTheBanjomanActually I don't think any country has clear laws on this. Even if some do you're still talking about a global issue, local laws aren't very effective there.

Dutch laws on music for excample say we are free to download and copy CD's, however uploading music is still illegal. Which is rather odd since you can borrow your buddy your new CD and let him LEGALLY copy it. You can backup a movie but cannot go around any security measures to do so. Software is always a no go.
There isn't a clear law on P2P networks specifically.

Also, you don't OWN music, you only own a license so use it, which is totally different in court. As far as I know that counts in the USA as well. You can't download a game, if your disk is damaged you need to contact the manufacturer/store and you can get a replacement disk.

I do agree that it's rather pointless to fight it, the best way to counter it is to lower CD prices (they're outrageous) and make decent CDs. Just look at the average CD, sound quality is a joke, many are mixed to be cubicles (just open a CD in some sound editing program)
However, greed is human, so they won't learn.

Some countries do have their independent laws on these issues. If you are allowing upload with the intent of allowing non licensed users to download then you are breaking the law. All you have to do to make yourself legal is drop a silly little disclaimer on there and you set yourself free.

Downloading songs you personally own is legal in the US anyways. You can also copy all your own cd's just legally. It's under the right to backup your data laws. I only play copies of my cd's in my car, I actually did get harassed by a police officer about it one day also.

You can backup a movie but cannot go around any security measures to do so- This part is also actually law in the Us I believe, probably falls under copyright bull****, but its gray area, and a jury wouldn't convict anyone of doing this if they actually owned the movie.

A lot of the laws have gray area these days to make the big dogs happy and not totally screw over everyone else. They just flex a muscle with the gray area when they need to, to try to keep the law breakers from getting to up on everything.

tkpenaltyI usually want to buy CDs for the quality which they hold... but these days its no different to a 128kbps file.

If you believe that, you have no idea what you are talking about. I invite you to pick up some of the very first CD's ever produced back in the 80's. Pick up a quality DAC and some quality speakers. Or better yet, check out SACD or DVDAudio.

overcastIf you believe that, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Don't start flamebaiting again please. If you hadn't used the first sentace you would have made a nice comment in this discussion but what you've said isn't gonna make you very popular.

infraredDon't start flamebaiting again please. If you hadn't used the first sentace you would have made a nice comment in this discussion but what you've said isn't gonna make you very popular.

I'm sorry but CD's are not anywhere near 128kbps MP3 quality. That would mean he doesn't know what he is talking about, no?