Mobile MCM I'll bet.

Shouldn't they be focusing on fixing the performance issues plaguing Ryzen and Vega/GCN? They haven't Ryzen's subpar gaming performance and Vega is a failure from an engineering standpoint.

It's on sever/workstation platform as pointed out in 2nd pic. Adding that in article would have been good.

FrustratedGarrettThey haven't Ryzen's subpar gaming performance and Vega is a failure from an engineering standpoint.

Both seem to perform just fine at 1080p. If you play at 720p (CPU limit) or 4k (GPU limit) then feel free to buy the competition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

krukBoth seem to perform just fine at 1080p. If you play at 720p (CPU limit) or 4k (GPU limit) then feel free to buy the competition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Come on! he's Frustated...:p

FrustratedGarrettShouldn't they be focusing on fixing the performance issues plaguing Ryzen and Vega/GCN? They haven't Ryzen's subpar gaming performance and Vega is a failure from an engineering standpoint.

ryzen doesnt have subpar gaming performance, unless you're excited about 300 FPS at 720p on low graphics

I've just noticed this newspost on overclockers.ua and they speculate that this is a new compute accelerator for AI/Deep learning.
What gave it up, is a massive memory bandwidth (read "HBM2").
So, either it's a "beefed-up" version of Core+Vega, but for compute or workstations (the one announced for laptops earlier only has 24CUs), or AMD is working on their own version with Ryzen core and better Vega... Probably to empower Baidu in the conquest to take over the world. :D

FrustratedGarrettShouldn't they be focusing on fixing the performance issues plaguing Ryzen and Vega/GCN? They haven't Ryzen's subpar gaming performance and Vega is a failure from an engineering standpoint.

No.

AMD has to concentrate on the large volume segments: mobile and server. So any "APU" news is important.
As of December 2017 - almost a year of Ryzen and few months of Vega - the first one is almost non-existent in notebooks and the best implementation of the latter is in currently developed Intel's MCM.
And assuming TPU is publishing a press release for every large client that chooses EPYC over Xeon, there are clearly not many of them as well...

Desktop high-end parts (both CPU and GPU) are niche products. Seriously, no one beside gaming/nerd communities cares about them.
And BTW: do you remember how few months ago people here got excited by market share estimations on PassMark? It looked like AMD share is going to explode. The more optimistic AMD fans expected it to reach 30% by the end of the year. And what happened?
www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html
I assume you're aware of this as well:
store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

FrustratedGarrettShouldn't they be focusing on fixing the performance issues plaguing Ryzen and Vega/GCN? They haven't Ryzen's subpar gaming performance and Vega is a failure from an engineering standpoint.

Plaguing? Hyperbole for sure. Ryzen only has less performance in gaming than Intel due to it's lower clocks, which will improve when they release zen plus in a month or two.

Vega is just screwed anyway you look at it. Raja touted a bunch of features that ended up doing nothing. People can defend the man all they want but this is the biggest dud of a video card since Nvidi'a Fermi.

It's an R9-285 with HBM2 memory LOL

FrustratedGarrettShouldn't they be focusing on fixing the performance issues plaguing Ryzen and Vega/GCN? They haven't Ryzen's subpar gaming performance and Vega is a failure from an engineering standpoint.

Nice trolling.

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Interesting :)

Vega 28

T4C FantasyVega 28

Nah, that is not how it will be written. It might be Radeon RX Vega²⁸, though it's most probably APU with hbm2:s(That internal memory bandwidth 182.15 GB/sec can't be from main memory) so it might have it own differentiation from desktop graphics card(Like Mobile vega is Radeon Vega¹⁰/Vega⁸ Processor Graphics).

jabbadapNah, that is not how it will be written. It might be Radeon RX Vega²⁸, though it's most probably APU with hbm2:s(That internal memory bandwidth 182.15 GB/sec can't be from main memory) so it might have it own differentiation from desktop graphics card(Like Mobile vega is Radeon Vega¹⁰/Vega⁸ Processor Graphics).

i dont see an APU ever having 1792 shaders, not with 12nm even. meh you could be right somehow though

Elite APU? this would be most powerful APU of all time with 28 vega CUs

T4C Fantasyi dont see an APU ever having 1792 shaders, not with 12nm even. meh you could be right somehow though

Elite APU? this would be most powerful APU of all time with 28 vega CUs

Well yeah it might get quite too claustrophobic to fit such a thing on am4 platform. On that Sisoftware page it is under server workstation platform so maybe it's some bga chip for datacenters? Structure might have some similarities with kaby lake G, which have 24 polaris CUs.

jabbadapRadeon Vega¹⁰/Vega⁸

How I hate this superscript naming... What did they think?!

BTW: I needed some info for work and I had to go through AMD's pages. They are a mess! Almost worse than those of Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers...
@ gaming.radeon.com/en/product/vega/

T4C Fantasyi dont see an APU ever having 1792 shaders, not with 12nm even. meh you could be right somehow though

Elite APU? this would be most powerful APU of all time with 28 vega CUs

jabbadapWell yeah it might get quite too claustrophobic to fit such a thing on am4 platform. On that Sisoftware page it is under server workstation platform so maybe it's some bga chip for datacenters? Structure might have some similarities with kaby lake G, which have 24 polaris CUs.

As I said earlier, MCM (multi-chip module). Intel is working on one with an Intel CPU, Radeon GPU and HBM all in one package why wouldn't AMD be doing the same?

OSdevrAs I said earlier, MCM (multi-chip module). Intel is working on one with an Intel CPU, Radeon GPU and HBM all in one package why wouldn't AMD be doing the same?

Because amd is poor,

Nah it could be

Datacenter APU for GPU accelerated compute? AMD did promise such a thing with Vega and Zen.

escapeclauseDatacenter APU for GPU accelerated compute? AMD did promise such a thing with Vega and Zen.

Would it be useful though ? Why would a datacenter employ APUs rather than full on discrete GPUs.

Vya DomusWould it be useful though ? Why would a datacenter employ APUs rather than full on discrete GPUs.

This is exactly what I'm confused about. I'm not convinced that the whole "server/workstation" designation isn't just because this is early silicon.

This would be cool a apu with r9 380 like gpu in it

Vya DomusWould it be useful though ? Why would a datacenter employ APUs rather than full on discrete GPUs.

Well it's a question of power-consumption vs computation on a platform level. Datacenters have very big costs getting rid of heat and also with the price of electricity. So if this purported compute APU delivers the FLOPS for less energy it will be attractive.

escapeclauseWell it's a question of power-consumption vs computation on a platform level. Datacenters have very big costs getting rid of heat and also with the price of electricity. So if this purported compute APU delivers the FLOPS for less energy it will be attractive.

Nope.
In a typical modern datacenter, which mixes CPUs and GPUs (or coprocessors like Xeon Phi), the two types of processors complement each other. CPUs are better at some types of calculations, GPUs are better at others.
If you need more GPU potential, you just add a GPU. There's really no point in adding an APU, which is inherently slower than a PCI-card variant on the same architecture.
Moreover, from a practical standpoint, it's fairly important to have identical GPUs in the system.

And BTW: CPUs also cover the "maintenance" tasks - like moving data around (disks <-> RAM <-> GPU), so replacing them with APUs could actually bottleneck the whole system, not make it faster.