Tuesday, January 2nd 2018

AMD Will Fix Adrenalin Driver Game Incompatibility Issues After All

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Right in the last corner of 2017, as our collective minds were getting ready to move onto a new year at full warp speed, we covered this bit of news regarding AMD's Adrenalin Driver incompatibility with some older game titles under DX9 ("C&C3 Tiberium Wars," "C&C3 Kane's Wrath," "C&C Red Alert 3," "C&C Red Alert 3 Uprising," "C&C4 Tiberian Twilight," "Battle for Middle Earth 1-2," and "The Witcher Enhanced Edition.") At the time, AMD stated that they were "unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue." User backlash ensued, and with the new year comes a new AMD: one that has found the valuable engineering resources needed towards working on a fix for said issues.

Apparently, the problem stemmed from a driver-level incompatibility with SAGE engine games, and AMD's Terry Makedon took to Twitter to make things better for fans of those games, saying that "We will for sure fix this bug with SAGE engine games in an upcoming hotfix." All in all, a good guy move by AMD. For sure, the initial statement might not echo the full sentiment of the entire company on the issue, though it's a fact that it was an AMD employee that started the whole debate. That said, the user backlash certainly goes to show that PC gamers want their systems to always have backwards compatibility with older games - one of the more important differentiating factors between PCs and games consoles.
Sources: Terry Makedon's Twitter, via Overclock 3D

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71 Comments on AMD Will Fix Adrenalin Driver Game Incompatibility Issues After All

#26
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
XzibitWeird. I been playing Overwatch since its release on 3 different series of cards and never experienced that bug nor had to stick with a old driver. Nor has the system i've put the old cards in experience any issues running Overwatch.

About the only issue I've ever ran into with Overwatch since release was when they introduced Doomfist but blizzard put out several patches after that and by the 3rd one everything was back to norm and still is.
Must of been a windows 10 update causing it
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#27
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
eidairaman1Have you even tried reporting it via bug report?. I had an issue and used bug reporter, they fixed it. Posting a gripe without bug reporting it gets you no where and makes you out to be a whiner.
It is a known issue that is very commonly brought up in vanguard. AMD knows.
EarthDogOr maybe that was the company line until the outcry....
I will tell you this much, there are parts of AMD legitimately trying to fix it. Unfortunately one dbag messes all of that up.
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#28
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
cdawallIt is a known issue that is very commonly brought up in vanguard. AMD knows.



I will tell you this much, there are parts of AMD legitimately trying to fix it. Unfortunately one dbag messes all of that up.
Thats right, im sure he got reprimanded at the least.
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#29
EarthDog
The same mice will scurry regardless how the noise was made that scared them. The more mice they throw at it, the more surprised they were to hear it. ;)

Edit: or, they just want to get is resolved as quick as possible, lol!

That said, cant say i believe it much either. Not because i dont think its possible, for [any company] to make this choice, but because it appears this is engine specific and a snafu as well as just being blurted out on the web. :)
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#30
Capitan Harlock
They should look at Bayonetta too because before the last 3 or 4 driver updates the game was running fine than now does stutter a lot and is not an heavy game at all.
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#31
evernessince
INSTG8RC'mon people were acting like they had completely abandoned DX9 entirely, when it was a handful of old games...It was absolutely an overreaction...
It wasn't just old games though, as I pointed out, there were newer games that don't work either. Tales of Berseria is less than a year old and it's fucked on the latest drivers. It affected many DX9 games, regardless of age.

Playing old games is one of the damn tenents of PC gaming. If I found out one day I couldn't play some of my favorite games, that would be the worst.
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#32
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
evernessinceIt wasn't just old games though, as I pointed out, there were newer games that don't work either. Tales of Berseria is less than a year old and it's fucked on the latest drivers. It affected many DX9 games, regardless of age.

Playing old games is one of the damn tenents of PC gaming. If I found out one day I couldn't play some of my favorite games, that would be the worst.
Regardless you could count the list of games on 2 hands and like nobody has ever released a buggy driver before? I mean we live on Hot Fixes these days and this was obviously going to be hot fixed regardless of what one obviously clueless rep said.
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#33
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
EarthDogOr maybe that was the company line until the outcry....
One would hope not. It's not a successful attitude for a company. I bet this guy made an assumption, and answered on his own without thinking of checking with the big kids who were on holiday break.
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#34
Cybrnook2002
Ha! 191 comments for they won't fix it, and 34 for they will.
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#35
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Cybrnook2002Ha! 191 comments for the won't fix it, and 34 for they will.
The other thread is older and already had people sub'd to it.
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#36
lilunxm12
So this is not an incompatibility with DX9 but an incompatibility with specific game engine? I'd guess SAGE engine may have used some undefined behavior which changed after driver update. DX9 is still far from death and AMD shouldn't be that stupid to abandon DX9 as a whole.
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#38
lilunxm12
MuhammedAbdoNo multiple engines and games:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948227463188017152
Even it's not limited to SAGE, I'd still hold that same argument. If AMD is dropping support of DX9 (even a tiny subset of it), considering there're still hundreds of DX9 games being made and released every year, it should be an official statement to developers and general public other than a random support guy revealed in support forum.
BTW, your twitter link doesn't work, at least for me. Works in forum but broken in news comments.
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#39
SIGSEGV
Meh, it would be better to focus on upcoming AAA driver, especially on the TWIMTBP titles.
lilunxm12Even it's not limited to SAGE, I'd still hold that same argument. If AMD is dropping support of DX9 (even a tiny subset of it), considering there're still hundreds of DX9 games being made and released every year, it should be an official statement to developers and general public other than a random support guy revealed in support forum.
BTW, your twitter link doesn't work, at least for me. Works in forum but broken in news comments.
mind you consider reading the whole article?
with some older game titles under DX9 ("C&C3 Tiberium Wars," "C&C3 Kane's Wrath," "C&C Red Alert 3," "C&C Red Alert 3 Uprising," "C&C4 Tiberian Twilight," "Battle for Middle Earth 1-2," and "The Witcher Enhanced Edition.")
damn, this news makes me laugh harder than before. :roll::laugh:
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#40
Ubersonic
INSTG8ROf course they will, total overreaction...
They're fixing it BECAUSE of the huge reaction, if people had just laid back and accepted it when they initially said they wouldn't then they wouldn't have changed their tune.
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#41
iO
You could fix it by installing the DX SDK which means these games had some shoddy code that relied on old legacy crap that AMD threw out with Adrenalin.

So actually Microsofts fault as they havent included the whole DX code since Win7.
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#42
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
iOYou could fix it by installing the DX SDK which means these games had some shoddy code that relied on old legacy crap that AMD threw out with Adrenalin.

So actually Microsofts fault as they havent included the whole DX code since Win7.
Yup or fused the DX version with OS Version since Vista... 95C-XP you could upgrade DX
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#43
renz496
SomeOne99hGuys I don't think this has anything to do with AMD being bad or not wanna fix it. It is that technical support bad mouth and going with his own assumptions. I think he got scolded behind the scene. They need to hire better one really.
honestly i don't think it was his own assumption but more like where AMD generally headed. for example AMD themselves said they will focus less on OpenGL and instead will work more on Vulkan instead. and i still remember the issue during the early days of 7K series where the card will flicker in many DX9 based games.
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#44
MuhammedAbdo
renz496or example AMD themselves said they will focus less on OpenGL and instead will work more on Vulkan instead. and i still remember the issue during the early days of 7K series where the card will flicker in many DX9 based games.
Get this also, a lot of DX9 games have reduced performance on new AMD hardware, people on Reddit talked about Borderlands games suffering large fps drops outdoors. OpenGL games run horribly on AMD GPUs to this day. This latest issue is just the tip of the iceberg for the company.
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#45
renz496
SIGSEGVMeh, it would be better to focus on upcoming AAA driver, especially on the TWIMTBP titles.



mind you consider reading the whole article?

damn, this news makes me laugh harder than before. :roll::laugh:
the issue is much bigger than that. sure right now those five games are not working properly. but what about future driver release? if AMD break more DX9 based games and decided not to care about it then it could become a big deal.

better focusing on upcoming AAA driver? that's one of the major problem with AMD. that's why AMD having trouble gaining market share because majority of people did not only play triple A games.
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#46
lexluthermiester
evernessinceIt wasn't just old games though, as I pointed out, there were newer games that don't work either.
That is a misunderstanding that needs to be put to rest. The games affected by this problem are experiencing bugs and graphical glitches. Based on statements made elsewhere, all of the games still run.
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#47
lilunxm12
SIGSEGVMeh, it would be better to focus on upcoming AAA driver, especially on the TWIMTBP titles.



mind you consider reading the whole article?

damn, this news makes me laugh harder than before. :roll::laugh:
I read both articles and comment sections. Comments of previous article are debates as if AMD abandoned DX9 so I believe it's necessary to clarify.
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#48
Prince Valiant
lexluthermiesterThat is a misunderstanding that needs to be put to rest. The games affected by this problem are experiencing bugs and graphical glitches. Based on statements made elsewhere, all of the games still run.
That makes the outrage even more ridiculous :laugh:.
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#49
lexluthermiester
UbersonicThey're fixing it BECAUSE of the huge reaction, if people had just laid back and accepted it when they initially said they wouldn't then they wouldn't have changed their tune.
No, they're fixing it because they're responsible and care about the gaming community.
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#50
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
lexluthermiesterThat is a misunderstanding that needs to be put to rest. The games affected by this problem are experiencing bugs and graphical glitches. Based on statements made elsewhere, all of the games still run.
That's not true some of those games wouldn't even launch. Red alert 3 and crysis 1 in dx9 don't even come up with out mods on the 17.12.2 driver.
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