cuneytcamConclusion i would reach with the data you provided does not make intel cuddly bear but instead i get the smell of complicits to sustain shark business practices of intel. To give you the illusion/feeling of "Hey you, intel is not ripping you for %5 improvements and they have to change socket structure for XYZ reasons" to justify the rippage.

bugWhere Intel is taunting us is their needing to (presumably) adjust current/voltage, yet keeping the same socket layout. That's a big no-no and they have little reason for doing it. Let them catch flak now, lest they do it again in the future.

ssdproYes, got it to work but for how long? A month? A year? Armchair engineers often come up with terms like "it works". Actual engineers do real testing and have process.

newtekie1So basically, what you are saying is you would be completely ok with what they did if they had just removed or added a single pin to make the socket "different"?

In the end, doing this would have just raised the cost of the new motherboards to the end user. No something I personally want in exchange for the mental satisfaction of knowing my new motherboard has an extra pin in it that does nothing.

windwhirlYou know, Intel could have easily avoided all this, if they had bothered to change the placement of key notches or the pin layout.

Or maybe, just for once, think of the customers and keep compatibility at least for the lower end of the spectrum (quad cores and below)...



I so want a T-shirt now hahaha

newtekie1but can they guarantee an i7-8700K will run in a Z170 motherboard for years on end?

HTCAccording to this:



They performed stability tests. I'd assume the "usual" prime95 for a period of time.

Which stability tests exactly and for how long ... dunno.

That said, your question is pertinent (underlined): Even if it ends up passing ... say ... 48 hours of prime95 (exaggerating to make a point) doesn't mean it "lasts" as much as it would in a motherboard made for the processor(s) in question.

bugLike I said above, it was a lousy move. But you do realize you get more cores with Coffee Lake?

It's like someone once said: I have no problem with haters that know how and what to hate. But hating just because it's trendy is just dumb.

R0H1TSo we can presume you know more that the product manager at ROG, got it!As some of us have speculated, the Z370 & indeed CFL was a rushed launch, they were caught off guard by how great Ryzen was. I take it, by the above response, that there's Z390 incoming & probably 8 mainstream cores as well, perhaps later this year.

As for the rest of your rant, enjoy your Intel inside :rolleyes:

ssdproI don't follow? As for "how great Ryzen was", I bought it and it is a fine system. Unfortunately, while the market average here in the US is up 25% over the last 2 years AMD is still down 20% from the value on Ryzen launch day - a true failure from a product market performance standpoint. As for "Intel inside", I do still have an Z170 system but I also enjoy a Ryzen system as my daily (check specs much?). As for my comments being a "rant", I see it as wisdom and common sense.

bugPersonally, my belief/educated guess is they tried to the last moment to make the CPUs backwards compatible, missed that goal by a narrow margin, but at that point it was too late for a new socket layout.


PS They could have left all the pins there, but with a different arrangement. Socket 1151v2 or socket 1151-2017 and it would have all been ok.

newtekie1My guess is they were rushing to market, and the motherboard manufacturers already had a crap-ton of 1151 sockets in their inventory. So instead of waiting for the socket manufacturers to re-tool and ramp up production, they just reused the same socket.

bugThat would require manufacturers making lots of physical sockets without a board to go with them. And not one manufacturer, but several. Let's just say that unlikely.

newtekie1I don't think it is that uncommon for a manufacturer to keep a healthy stock of parts on hand that they use on a very large portion of their products. I don't think it is that unlikely for ASUS to have thousands of 1151 sockets on hand waiting to be used on motherboards.

bugYou also don't think when a manufacturer stocks up on some part, they also stock up on matching parts. Maybe not 1:1, but somewhere in the ballpark. That's where our views differ.

dj-electricHating Intel is so hot right now. Where do i sign up for the rally? Are there any freebies like stickers and Tshirts?

mcraygsxI was looking forward to upgrading from 7700K to 8700K but new chipset requirements kept me away from it. Hard to believe my Asus MAXIMUX IX Code cannot support electrical requirements for 8700K!. Intel doing what it does best.

plonk420watch your Windows 10 installations for updates that disable this... just look at the G3258 + non-Z board posts. Win10 went from working before retail release to not working at retail due to a microcode update unless you updated the BIOS with an update that removed OCability

newtekie1It doesn't have enough power pins in the socket. Period.

hekyNot true. The pins are there!

ShihabyoooYou say it as if any Win10 user could actually avoid such an update.