jabbadapNah amd can't die, Intel won't let that to happen' And if intel really enters to discrete graphics card market, Nvidia has even less reasons to worry. But Intel still can't let amd to die.

lynx29Hmm, if AMD dies, Intel could still claim Qualcomm, Exynos as competitors, so why would it have to worry about monopoly charges, I still think Nvidia is the one who should worry if AMD dies.

sutyiIntel is rolling in the money from X86 mostly. If AMD would be gone, the only other license to design X86 will be in VIAs hand (if they still have it that is) as Transmeta had gone bust many moons ago. Also there is a Chinese holder trough VIA manufacturing stuff on 28nm. Currently on Atom SoC levels of performance... if at all.

xkm1948Nah should be more like "Radeon RX: A Miner's Choice" They don't give 2 cents crap about gamers. The VR stuttering/down-clocking issue I reported 2 months ago is not even acknowledged in their release notes. Their GPU are not that great for gaming to begin with: hot, slow, power hungry. RTG brought this kinda GPP crap onto themselves. Don't blame your own failure on other company's technological superiority. If RTG had any decent GPU then the market will positively respond to it. I have been given my money exclusively to RTG for every generation of GPU since ATi 9700 days, and I can't even stand the way they operate now. Wake the F up, RTG, start by innovating and properly treat your customers who used their hard earnerd dollars to support you.

lynx29Shouldn't Nvidia be worried if AMD dies though? If they become a true monopoly like Microsoft did, I believe Microsoft was hit hard in the late 90's by the USA government on fines for being a monopoly... can't remember exactly... but I do remember monopolies get punished hard... so it is in Nvidia's best interest AMD stay afloat...

xkm1948This ^^^.

Plus it always seems to be easier to rush in and defend the "little guy" or the "brave revolution RTG" against big bad green nVidia.

Quoting AdoredTV's latest video, around 18:00. AMD's fan base is some of the most toxic fan base in hardware forum.

IceShroomIntel and Nvidia fanboys/fangirls are so good and innocent that on every new AMD product review they leave negative comment [for poor people, cheap product, runs hot(even competitor runs 84°C), power hungry( even competitot sips more power), copycat, and many other excuses] even that product was porforming very well to its competitor.

lynx29Well hopefully they give us a Vega 2 with all this money that can match 2080 Ti... I really want to go back to AMD someday, but I need high performance... so :(

MuhammedAbdoAMD's word would have rung true if it weren't for their complete lack of effort to provide cards for gamers at MSRP

lynx29Hmm, if AMD dies, Intel could still claim Qualcomm, Exynos as competitors, so why would it have to worry about monopoly charges, I still think Nvidia is the one who should worry if AMD dies.

sutyiIntel is rolling in the money from X86 mostly. If AMD would be gone, the only other license to design X86 will be in VIAs hand (if they still have it that is) as Transmeta had gone bust many moons ago. Also there is a Chinese holder trough VIA manufacturing stuff on 28nm. Currently on Atom SoC levels of performance... if at all.

SlizzoIntel still would have to worry, as there is a cross licensing deal in place between them and AMD. Intel owns the x86 patent sure. That's great, and gets them in the door. But AMD holds the patent to x64, and Intel is straight fucked if that patent goes to someone who wants to restrict access to it. It is in Intels best interest to have the status quo maintained in terms of that agreement. If for any reason their access to that license is even temporarily halted, Intel will start losing money hand over fist as they have to stop production while trying to sort it out.

MuhammedAbdoIT IS, they practically blew the mining craze out of proportions with their enhanced mining drivers and mining propaganda.

SlizzoIntel still would have to worry, as there is a cross licensing deal in place between them and AMD. Intel owns the x86 patent sure. That's great, and gets them in the door. But AMD holds the patent to x64, and Intel is straight fucked if that patent goes to someone who wants to restrict access to it. It is in Intels best interest to have the status quo maintained in terms of that agreement. If for any reason their access to that license is even temporarily halted, Intel will start losing money hand over fist as they have to stop production while trying to sort it out.

bugJust curious, but when did AMD have superior cards? Except for the GTX 480 (mid-range Fermi was pretty much ok), I have to go back to FX5000 to find better card from ATI/AMD. Otherwise they have been more or less on par.

RH92No i mean a brean is needed to figure that smart peoples buy whatever fits their needs and budget not the brand ....

lynx29I believe Microsoft was hit hard in the late 90's by the USA government on fines for being a monopoly...

medi01I believe smart people are not restricted with budget when buying GPUs.

John NaylorI hope Intel soon does the same as I am frustrated by confused users sending me proposed 8700k builds with X370 MoBos cause they think X370 is a cheaper version of the Z370.

John NaylorA lot of fluff but doesn't really saying anything other than "We can't compete in these performance niches so we'll spout platitudes instead ." Since the subject came up, all I can remember is the commercial for Burger King with the old granny muttering "Where's the beef ?". When nVidia came out w/ PhysX, AMD could have a) produced a competing technology or b) licensed it. When nVidia came out w/ G-Sync, they could have a) produced a competing technology or b) licensed it ...instead they chose c) Create a name similar to G-Sync, only provide a part of the technology and sell the lesser featured package at reduced price. AMD could have included a hardware module in the Freesync monitors, but they chose not to ... some Freesync monitor manufacturers did include such a MBR module but they were not well recived because when the Freesync monitors were able to offer motion blur reduction buy adding the necessary hardware, they no longer had that big price advantage... and AMD never jumped on the MBR bandwagon cause they chose instead to sell on price.

nVidia has been taking more and more control from it's board partners legally, driver wise and physically with successive generations. Now it is willing to give 3rd party vendors a boost by partnering with them to create high performance model lines that customers are willing to pay for. We will write our drivers so as to allow higher clocks, if during the install it detects PCBs that meet certain criteria with regard to voltage control, cooling, etc.

And if they do so, all they are saying that if you are using what we give you to increase mindshare and generate high margins, you can't allow our competitor to take advantage of the branding ***we*** helped you build. This is business as usual in America ... newsflash .... America is a capitalist dog eat dog country... deal with it. If you own a pizza joint, Coca Cola will give you a refrigerator to hold its products... you want to put Pepsi in there, you violate the licensing agreement and we take back OUR fridge.

Where's the beef ? If Asus calls the nVidia line Strix and their Radeon line Arez, so what ? If AMD says that Asus can't not sell an AMD based card called Arez, would there be such a steenk ? Buger King can sell a 1/4 pound burger but thye can not call it "the quarter pounder" There is nothing anti-competitive; nothing more sinister limiting the use of the name then there is about not putting our competitor's products in the free fridge we gave you. In the end, all AMD is saying ... "well we gonna offer free fridges too"... and now when we buy pizza, we'll see two fridges ...one with AMD stuff inside and one with nVidia ... great EXACTLY what I wanted ... a way to read the logo on top of the fridge telling me this is where I can find an nVidia product inside and here's where I can find and AMD product inside. Nothing anti competitive, more like truth in advertising. The nVidia Strix products of recent generations are overclocking by 14 - 31%. The AMD cards are in single digits for the most part. The only thing AMD loses by the name limiting partnership agreement is that no one will be purchasing a product thinking that because their nVidia Strix OC's 25%, their AMD Strix is capable of doing the same.

I hope Intel soon does the same as I am frustrated by confused users sending me proposed 8700k builds with X370 MoBos cause they think X370 is a cheaper version of the Z370.

xkm1948This ^^^.

Plus it always seems to be easier to rush in and defend the "little guy" or the "brave revolution RTG" against big bad green nVidia.

Quoting AdoredTV's latest video, around 18:00. AMD's fan base is some of the most toxic fan base in hardware forum.

evernessinceSecond, FreeSync have been reviewed by Tom's hardware and many other reputable tech reviewers and is identical to G-Sync. I don't know where you getting this "only provide a part of the technology and sell the lesser featured package at reduced price" but it's complete bullshit.

lynx29I'd like to stay out of the arguments here, but just wanted to inform you that G-Sync works in Windowed mode for games, Freesync does not. Kind of a big deal, as a lot of games need to be in windowed mode for my gamma and color settings too automatically apply :)

evernessinceFree-Sync works in windowed mode. But yes, if you want to nitpick features Free-Sync also works over multiple display outputs while G-Sync does not. AMD had a software update in may of 2017 called FreeSync 2.0 that added the windowed mode feature.