A not very creative rip off of the words used in Outlander.
There can be only one.

I'm surprised Creative has managed to survive all of these years.. with myriads of tech companies going bust or getting devoured.. or onboard audio "being good enough" for most.

They managed to double the price by adding the tiny 4GB MP3 player and Bluetooth 4.2. Still worth it for people who run a lot, the sweat resistance is great (if it works).

Crap design with basically no thought going in to it.
For those active enough to actually need this, it is all wrong, it should be individual pieces much like Apple has designed, no weighty dangly bits or annoying strap tying them together.
Imo it should loop around the ear for comfort and security of use.

Caring1A not very creative rip off of the words used in Outlander.
There can be only one.

'Highlander" but sure...

stanleyipkiss'Highlander" but sure...

Outlander is a movie about an alien soldiet crashing in Iron Age Norway while chasing another alien. Not as good as The 13th Warrior.

StrayKATI'm surprised Creative has managed to survive all of these years.. with myriads of tech companies going bust or getting devoured.. or onboard audio "being good enough" for most.

You answered your own doubt with "onboard audio "being good enough" for most". The rest buy other solutions, and most of those choose soundcards. Being that Creative is the only real soundcard maker ther is, is no wonder they survived, even with all the hate, the nonsense… Also they used to sell speakers, chips for onboard solutions, things they keep selling, also they used to sell players, CD/DVD and other things they don't sell anymore, and adding more products now.

FergutorYou answered your own doubt with "onboard audio "being good enough" for most". The rest buy other solutions, and most of those choose soundcards. Being that Creative is the only real soundcard maker ther is, is no wonder they survived, even with all the hate, the nonsense… Also they used to sell speakers, chips for onboard solutions, things they keep selling, also they used to sell players, CD/DVD and other things they don't sell anymore, and adding more products now.

What hate and nonsense? I don't know anything about that. It's just remarkable that they're still around. I used to buy their soundcards as well. I still would if they if made a lightweight pro-audio type of card, for midi/multitrack recording. Preferably with a front panel/drive bay option, like they used to make for some old Audigys.

StrayKATPreferably with a front panel/drive bay option, like they used to make for some old Audigys.

Back in 2001, I had the best sound card that Creative made, (I forget what it was called) and it had the 5.25 bay front panel with 1/4 " jacks and MIDI jacks. It was great for recording live instruments and mics, just plug them in. That's one reason, I guess, to buy a sound card. These days I use the optical digital out of my onboard Realtec ALC1150, and it sounds great.

HoodBack in 2001, I had the best sound card that Creative made, (I forget what it was called) and it had the 5.25 bay front panel with 1/4 " jacks and MIDI jacks. It was great for recording live instruments and mics, just plug them in. That's one reason, I guess, to buy a sound card. These days I use the optical digital out of my onboard Realtec ALC1150, and it sounds great.

Your optical “sounds great” as any other optical as it’s just pass through the optical on my SB ZX would sound equally as “great”. Your card with the front panel was an X-Fi, I had a Fatality Champion with the same box.

Outlier? WTF not so creative...

they piss piddled so much on THX they got left behind. THX was a joke even before they bought thm lol

StrayKATWhat hate and nonsense? I don't know anything about that. It's just remarkable that they're still around. I used to buy their soundcards as well. I still would if they if made a lightweight pro-audio type of card, for midi/multitrack recording. Preferably with a front panel/drive bay option, like they used to make for some old Audigys.

Didn't said "your hate and nonesense". I agree with your comment, but I also had to note that you answered your own doubt, and I added another problem, the hate and nonesense that we can hear/read about the brand and soundcards all the time that makes even more notable that they survived.
About the product you would want, I guess they stopped doing that because there always were recording soundcards of brands that musicians choosed before a "multimedia-gaming" brand/products, so I guess those never sold well (?). I think the last ones were of the X-Fi line which by the way had the creation mode, remember? But I don't think they were good at recording, mine wasn't (Xtreme Music).

FergutorDidn't said "your hate and nonesense". I agree with your comment, but I also had to note that you answered your own doubt, and I added another problem, the hate and nonesense that we can hear/read about the brand and soundcards all the time that makes even more notable that they survived.
About the product you would want, I guess they stopped doing that because there always were recording soundcards of brands that musicians choosed before a "multimedia-gaming" brand/products, so I guess those never sold well (?). I think the last ones were of the X-Fi line which by the way had the creation mode, remember? But I don't think they were good at recording, mine wasn't (Xtreme Music).

I know you didn't mean my "hate and nonsense". I didn't word it that way, but sorry if you misunderstood. I'm just wondering what you meant.. in the general sense. Didn't know Creative got much hate.

Yeah, there are more specialized companies for that sort of thing, but I'd be open to something from Creative still. That said, the front panel thing seems to be a thing of the past from all companies. It's kind of a shame.. since I hate having all of that space in my tower, and little to use for it.. other than a disc drive.

StrayKATI know you didn't mean my "hate and nonsense". I didn't word it that way, but sorry if you misunderstood. I'm just wondering what you meant.. in the general sense. Didn't know Creative got much hate.

Yeah, there are more specialized companies for that sort of thing, but I'd be open to something from Creative still. That said, the front panel thing seems to be a thing of the past from all companies. It's kind of a shame.. since I hate having all of that space in my tower, and little to use for it.. other than a disc drive.

They get tons of hate. The main reasons are this bad drivers half-true (mostly myth), no support for old products lie, bad customer support (more true tan not apparently), that they bought A3D and killed it, that they made EAX and other technologies exclusive, that they make soundcards wich "you totally do not need"...
Now, whatever they do, it's detestable, bad, suspicious, "Creative must die", etc...
Just look at reviews, announcements and video comments, forum threads, all hate, parroting, old myths and twisted motives and fallacies to hate the brand and it's products.
But then Creative makes time to time big mistakes which fuels or validates the hate (for the haters).
Ha! You sound "oldschool" like me. Try to put some of that in these new cases that "those damn kids of these days" use: www.techpowerup.com/img/2wZnZuriFTU0wRfO.jpg
Hahaha!

I don't want to leave the house without my Outliers. I don't care about the name or their marketing. I tried them and even with sweating an extended period of time (>1h), I never had to push the in-ears back in, while with other products, I had to constantly wipe them dry, plus my ears, just to do the same thing 10 minutes later again. The cable doesn't bug me at all. I tried other BT in-ears with a similar concept, but the cable has pissed me off so much. Depending on the clothing though, the cable can result in some noise, though, it's not perfect. They are fairly noise-cancelling and sound surprisingly well for their price. Lots of bass, maybe too much for some.

Not sure how I feel about the MP3 player model. I appreciate the concept and not having to drag my phone around in the gym surely is a plus, but there is one extra button for music control? If it can do shuffle, I might give it a go. Price will surely drop after a while. Street price for the Outliers is like almost half of the initial MSRP.

I liked the Outlier so much, that I gave some away to family members at Xmas, but apparently, for my sister, they don't seem to stick to her ears as well as it does for mine. So like with everything that depends on anatomy, results may vary.

Being old, I grew up with Creative products. The joy after having installed a sound card after coming from the inbuild MB-"speaker" was even bigger than getting a Voodoo 1 for the 2 games that supported 3D acceleration. Sadly over the years, the improvements became less significant. EAS used to be awesome, but with unified sound standards nowadays, their products don't stand out as much. Most of the latest gimmicks they produce seem to be over-engineered, the full feature set of the Roar Pro is batshit crazy, I don't think a single person uses all of the features.

Fr3akI don't want to leave the house without my Outliers. I don't care about the name or their marketing. I tried them and even with sweating an extended period of time (>1h), I never had to push the in-ears back in, while with other products, I had to constantly wipe them dry, plus my ears, just to do the same thing 10 minutes later again. The cable doesn't bug me at all. I tried other BT in-ears with a similar concept, but the cable has pissed me off so much. Depending on the clothing though, the cable can result in some noise, though, it's not perfect. They are fairly noise-cancelling and sound surprisingly well for their price. Lots of bass, maybe too much for some.

Not sure how I feel about the MP3 player model. I appreciate the concept and not having to drag my phone around in the gym surely is a plus, but there is one extra button for music control? If it can do shuffle, I might give it a go. Price will surely drop after a while. Street price for the Outliers is like almost half of the initial MSRP.

I liked the Outlier so much, that I gave some away to family members at Xmas, but apparently, for my sister, they don't seem to stick to her ears as well as it does for mine. So like with everything that depends on anatomy, results may vary.

Tell her to send them to me :D

Fr3akBeing old, I grew up with Creative products. The joy after having installed a sound card after coming from the inbuild MB-"speaker" was even bigger than getting a Voodoo 1 for the 2 games that supported 3D acceleration. Sadly over the years, the improvements became less significant. EAS used to be awesome, but with unified sound standards nowadays, their products don't stand out as much. Most of the latest gimmicks they produce seem to be over-engineered, the full feature set of the Roar Pro is batshit crazy, I don't think a single person uses all of the features.

Yes, there's no so much room for improvement, but the one there is, is more tan enough for me to justify the investment. Actually there shouldn't be any room for improvement but (apparently, maybe)integrated board soundmakers suck so...