dat boi so fat

That is by far the best name for a GPU i've ever heard.

I love you, XFX

Cool, this already matches the RTX 2080. In power connectors :D

Call it trislot, just like a VaporX/Nitro or Strix card

AMD is gonna ask at least $300 for this

It's fat,............like my Red Devil Vega-64.

RealNeilIt's fat,............like my Red Devil Vega-64.

But this is weird. PCIe power spec hasn't changed, so these can't draw more power than cards did five years ago. Why the oversized cooling? Is it just to shave off a few dB?

I like the name but hate the look of the cooler.

quite dissapointed there is only one hdmi, i wont be buying one though im intrigued by that clockspeed, i think its a good job nvidia are nearly out of 1080s.

in real world fat boy can't run fast :D:kookoo::D:D:nutkick:

So this is going to draw more power than a non-founders GTX 1070 OC'ed while having the same amount of PCI-E connectors and more current draw, and still end up being slower than that card in most games. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Why do I get the creeping feeling Navi isn't going to be an impressive improvement over Vega. While undoubtedly both are more future proof, I have to question why can't they finally move to off the GCN arch which needs more power to get the same performance as Nvidia. I think RTG needs to take the risk like the CPU division did with Ryzen and put all the cards at the table. Trouble is... they are losing talent and money over there.

bugBut this is weird. PCIe power spec hasn't changed, so these can't draw more power than cards did five years ago. Why the oversized cooling? Is it just to shave off a few dB?

PCI-E power spec relates to what power the card draws from the PCI-E slot your card is plugged into. (it is a standard amount of power on all boards) The PCI-E power cables from your PSU supplement that depending on what your GPU'S real requirements are.
Combination of both may require more robust cooling.

I have a GTX-980Ti that uses two 8-pin and one 6-pin power cord as well as what the PCI-E bus provides.

My two GTX-1080s have just one 8-pin.

EntropyZSo this is going to draw more power than a non-founders GTX 1070 OC'ed while having the same amount of PCI-E connectors and more current draw, and still end up being slower than that card in most games. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Spoiler

Why do I get the creeping feeling Navi isn't going to be an impressive improvement over Vega. While undoubtedly both are more future proof, I have to question why can't they finally move to off the GCN arch which needs more power to get the same performance as Nvidia. I think RTG needs to take the risk like the CPU division did with Ryzen and put all the cards at the table. Trouble is... they are losing talent and money over there.

Lol why comment if you're just going to be whiny & negative while knowing the answers. AMD/RTG has low R&D funding & even if AMD come out with a high end line of video cards that beat out Nvidia, the sheep will still flock to Nvidia due to mindshare.

Lionhearteven if AMD come out with a high end line of video cards that beat out Nvidia, the sheep will still flock to Nvidia due to mindshare.

I have both brands here. The way I see it, if either company wants loyalty, they should buy a dog.

RealNeilI have both brands here. The way I see it, if either company wants loyalty, they should buy a dog.

All brands want loyalty, that's part of the reason why the likes of Apple/Intel/Nvidia churn out record profits year after year. I'd add Tesla in there as well but it's unsure whether their profit streak will last more than a single quarter. Now it's (always) up to the buyers to ensure that they aren't beholden to one brand, just because it's their favorite.

R0H1TAll brands want loyalty

This is true. All brands want brand-loyalty to ensure some level of return business.

As for this card, I think the cooling solution implies that the card will OC/Boost itself into the ranges of perfomance that will require a need for the oversized HS/Fan combo used.

EntropyZI have to question why can't they finally move to off the GCN arch which needs more power to get the same performance as Nvidia.

You don't have to ask that because that's not the case, there is nothing about GCN that makes it use more power inherently. AMD has been stuck on an inferior node, Vega 20 is proof of that. That's all there is to it.

EntropyZTrouble is... they are losing talent and money over there.

Here's something I don't understand about you RTG haters: how come AMD is in such an appalling state with their GPU division according to you all, yet they actually have "talent and money" that they are losing ? Are they failing hard or do they have great talent there, which is it ? You can't have both.

RealNeilThe way I see it, if either company wants loyalty, they should buy a dog.

They get awfully close to that, actually.

Vya DomusYou don't have to ask that because that's not the case, there is nothing about GCN that makes it use more power inherently. AMD has been stuck on an inferior node, Vega 20 is proof of that. That's all there is to it.

14nm existed for long time, and the industry has been using it to a better degree. I don't think some process optimization or die shrink is going to give them a decent advantage. They're testing the waters with 14nm++ or 12nm and either succeeding, or just wasting their time. They should be working on Navi ever since Polaris came out, if RTG didn't do their homework, well everyone knows what happens.

Vya DomusHere's something I don't understand about you RTG haters: how come AMD is in such an appalling state with their GPU division according to you all, yet they actually have "talent and money" that they are losing ? Are they failing hard or do they have great talent there, which is it ? You can't have both.

I'm not a hater, those are the people that just type "amd sucks". I'm being critical of their decisions. They're doing slightly better than before but nowhere near where they should be if they want to compete. I don't like them being a whole GPU arch behind all the time, why are they waiting to change that for so long? Maybe RTG is going for the war of attrition by staying behind Nvidia for awhile since Moore's Law is dead. Since you mentioned Vega 20, their next releases are a stopgap before Navi, which is supposed to impress everyone. But in the mean time, most people will still keep it in their heads that RTG doesn't have something better than competition, or that they were too late to be there when they needed an upgrade. (Let's not forget mining kind of gave everyone a good slap)

Anyway, I never said they have someone outstanding there, but clearly some companies would want their engineers working on something better. So they jumped ship. And money-wise they are playing safe as far we can tell right? But when they look at their less than impressive revenue, I imagine they take it as a loss. RTG isn't failing, they're just being disappointment in the eyes of an average consumer. First impressions matter, only the naive will buy something on a company promise that their product will become better later on, it's almost like pre-ordering (and I am strict on pre-orders), they were too late. Vega and Polaris are pretty strong now, nobody should deny that, but people who wanted those GPUs a long time ago most likely are happily gaming on their Pascals, including me. It's a big shame.

As mentioned before mindshare is playing a big part on what is happening right now. Which, let's not forget, also affects game optimizations in a lot of cases.

I only know what is already fact and hearsay plus my own prediction of the future. You can point out where I am terribly wrong. Real talk, what I want to say is, they just haven't been doing enough since 2012, or maybe they just overhyped everything which made anything less competitive seem like it was worse than it really was. We need them to come out on top, for consumers. I want to wake up one morning and see something that is good on launch day and priced at what previous generation was at and have my mind blown. Reasonable expectation, I hope?

Instead we get 10-25% improvements while paying double. That's where we are heading at this rate. People are expecting the RX 590 to be twice as powerful as an RX 570 as the best possible scenario, otherwise no sane person (maybe someone with a 200-400 budget) will upgrade if the improvement is low from previous generations. The people that bought the high-end stuff can skip a gen' easy today unless they want that sweet, sweet 4K on 60FPS. In the end the majority vote with their wallets.

While this doesn't affect my life in any significant way, I have to see the bigger picture, this is setting the precedent for the industry. Well... at least re-brands aren't happening... for now, but they'll be back.

I would have preferred at least new card would have been done in 7nm process, to squeeze more speed and at least have around power consumption between 1060-1070. but I don`t think many would complain, as most are waiting for next years Navi version. I`m waiting for Nitro version of Sapphire.

ZoneDymodat boi so fat

dat boi so ugly

bugBut this is weird. PCIe power spec hasn't changed, so these can't draw more power than cards did five years ago. Why the oversized cooling? Is it just to shave off a few dB?

Latest AMD cards violate PCI-E specifications, drawing much more power than allowed. This also results in cases where PCI-E voltage drops significantly, from 12V to 11,5V.

theoneandonlymrkquite dissapointed there is only one hdmi, i wont be buying one though im intrigued by that clockspeed, i think its a good job nvidia are nearly out of 1080s.

Use displayport, you can convert DP -> HDMI if your device doesn't support DP but if it has DP use it!

Dam' boy

EntropyZSo this is going to draw more power than a non-founders GTX 1070 OC'ed while having the same amount of PCI-E connectors and more current draw, and still end up being slower than that card in most games. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Spoiler

Why do I get the creeping feeling Navi isn't going to be an impressive improvement over Vega. While undoubtedly both are more future proof, I have to question why can't they finally move to off the GCN arch which needs more power to get the same performance as Nvidia. I think RTG needs to take the risk like the CPU division did with Ryzen and put all the cards at the table. Trouble is... they are losing talent and money over there.

Lack of understanding much.

Different arch, different tactics , Amd one arch many market's. No game specific arch.

Nvidia multi arch tiered for gaming alone and seperate design for data.

Gcn does it all, Nvidia makes special bits to do special shit ie 64/ Or 32 bit cuda cores ,tensor.

And for power the Rtx cards suck plenty ,get off that high horse , Nvidia fanboi days riding power comments is Over.