Now can this be truncated now that it has been made clear?

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-radeon-rx-8800-xt-is-actually-the-rx-9070-xt.330128/unread

eidairaman1Now can this be truncated now that it has been made clear?

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-radeon-rx-8800-xt-is-actually-the-rx-9070-xt.330128/unread

Just a clarification about RDNA 3.5 being Radeon 8000, as AMD appearantly reserved that naming for Strix Halo.

So no High End this time?

Nice, finally AMD copied Nvidias branding, what a game changer.

AleksandarKultra-enthusiast high-end space

Dude just stop, just because the ex Radeon Boss called it “ultra enthusiast” you don’t have to do that. “enthusiast” is nonsense anyway, it’s just “High End” nothing changed. ;)

All that being said, can’t wait for the numbers especially RT performance and then later FSR 4 (first AI FSR).

they can call it whatever they want, what matters is perf/price

MicroUnCSo no High End this time?

lol :D

Does your cave have no connection to the world?

The only thing I want to know is if when they'll bring Strix or Strix Halo into a Desktop APU.

MicroUnCSo no High End this time?

That was known already for perhaps a year if not more.

MicroUnCSo no High End this time?

Nope, AMD wont help you get a cheaper Ngreedia GPU.

Neo_MorpheusNope, AMD wont help you get a cheaper Ngreedia GPU.

I wish AMD had the performance crown at least once to show everyone that Nvidia still wouldn't lower their prices by 1 single cent.

ymdhisThe only thing I want to know is if when they'll bring Strix or Strix Halo into a Desktop APU.

Unlikely, they want you to buy a card instead, but if, it would be expensive anyway. It'll be expensive in laptops. This is Strix Halo, Strix Point will probably come to desktops.

Neo_MorpheusNope, AMD wont help you get a cheaper Ngreedia GPU.

The last time that an AMD graphics card truly shook the market was probably when Polaris came out at $199, some 8 years ago. Nvidia's dominance has been pretty much uncontested since then. Hell, it's like AMD itself gave up trying to cater to their core audience, seeking loftier ambitions that they have ultimately and repeatedly failed to match or achieve.

This old press deck resonates more with the AMD customer base than anything else they have released since

www.slideshare.net/slideshow/radeon-rx-480-press-deck/63678478

I'm hopeful that with this new generation they learned their lesson and return to what made Polaris great. No pretentious BS, no lofty promises - just an unassuming GPU for the average consumer.

Dr. DroThe last time that an AMD graphics card truly shook the market was probably when Polaris came out at $199, some 8 years ago. Nvidia's dominance has been pretty much uncontested since then.

No no, RX 6000 times was hard for Nvidia, they had to push the bounderies (3090 Ti, 3090), and release the biggest chip as an cut down xx80, which they usually never did (GTX 780 was last time before that). This was all because AMD was very competitive with RTX 30 series. Since RTX 40 series they are weakly contested at high end again, 4090 has 0 competition. 4080 has middling competition and AMD's marketing was weak, which always helps Nvidia just dominate the market. It's not like Nvidia has better graphics cards everywhere, just high end.

Nvidia always was strong with marketing (so *was* intel, isn't anymore), AMD, not really. Ryzen yes, Athlon, okay-ish, Radeon, no. Marketing is key and very important. Mind share is very important and part of marketing.

AcENo no, RX 6000 times was hard for Nvidia, they had to push the bounderies (3090 Ti, 3090), and release the biggest chip as an cut down xx80, which they usually never did (GTX 780 was last time before that). This was all because AMD was very competitive with RTX 30 series. Since RTX 40 series they are weakly contested at high end again, 4090 has 0 competition. 4080 has middling competition.

No, it really was not hard... back then both companies were pretty much selling any cards that they could manufacture due to Covid and the crypto boom, but you forgot that NV was using the Samsung foundry and had its entire supply to itself, while AMD was pretty much prioritizing the server market as they always do. Most of AMD's silicon supply tends to go to the extremely high margin EPYC business, back then it got to the point that they cancelled the Zen 3 Threadripper processor so they could sell these processors as EPYC instead. It does need pointing out that Radeon is a distant last in node allocation, which reflects on the fact that older node Radeons are the only ones you will find in healthy supply, not because there is super high demand for newer cards but because AMD simply does not manufacture that many.

The 6900 XT performed well, but it had many caveats against its competition (such as the notoriously inferior media encoder), and even performance-wise it has the same problem of the RTX 4080, its narrow bus and overreliance on the last level cache tends to hurt its performance very badly at high resolutions due to low real memory bandwidth. RT then is out of the question, it performs about the same as the RTX 2080 Ti from a generation prior, which was one of the areas where RTX 3090 made insane strides over the previous generation thanks to it having terabyte-class memory bandwidth. It is still probably the best architecture to come out of AMD in a very long time, but the software, market conditions and gaming trends did not stack favorably towards it.

Let's not forget that this was still a thousand dollar MSRP graphics card. AMD buyers are in massively in the lower midrange segment up to $300, they are the kind of people who resent spending money on superfluous things and fueling the so-called greed.

Neo_MorpheusNope, AMD wont help you get a cheaper Ngreedia GPU.

AMD cant help, that's why.

Sadly for consumers, Blackwell will be another nail in the coffin for high end GPU competition, nvidia will be on top alone.

AMD knows this, they don't even bother trying.

Dr. DroNo, it really was not hard

Not about selling numbers, about how hard they had to push themselves. ;) Yes it was. In RTX 40 series, 1) xx80 isn't big chip anymore, it's kinda small, 2) 4090 is cut down and still easily fastest, completely different story. 3090 was nearly full chip, 3090 Ti was full chip, but mainly faster through stock overclock, which was extra 100-200W (= higher average clocks) depending on workload, basically a 3090 on steroids, just to beat AMD. Not only did Nvidia not bring nearly full chip in xx90 this time, no, they also didn't refresh it with a stronger one, like last time. The 4090 is more comparable to what Titan was in GTX 700 times, than to RTX 20/30 times, clearly cut down, huge vram, expensive. With the difference, this time AMD did not push Nvidia to bring a 780 Ti (or 4090 Ti, which would've been this version). ;) Instead Nvidia sold the full chips as workstation chips for triple price somewhere else.

SimkinAMD knows this, they don't even bother trying.

They are probably gonna return to high end with UDNA though, they are gonna unify server + consumer GPU branches, therefore making it easier for them to compete again, basically, more like what Nvidia does for a long time. The branched way didn't work out for AMD GPU, it makes a lot of things (including software) too complicated to cater for, and too much work / $ for two very different arches. Nvidias is more stream lined, and really, they always were. Big architectural changes with Nvidia are kinda rare. This is one reason why Nvidia driver issues were rare. You barely change anything = the software is easier to maintain. Nvidia mainly bet on improvements instead of overhauls, AMD did a lot of overhauls, they should keep it to a minimum, it's just easier and better for themselves (and really everyone). This will be what AMD will try to do with UDNA.

edited: more info.