Tuesday, January 22nd 2019
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Put Through AoTS, About 16% Faster Than GTX 1060
Thai PC enthusiast TUM Apisak posted a screenshot of an alleged GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Ashes of the Singularity (AoTS) benchmark. The GTX 1660 Ti, if you'll recall, is an upcoming graphics card based on the TU116 silicon, which is a derivative of the "Turing" architecture but with a lack of real-time raytracing capabilities. Tested on a machine powered by an Intel Core i9-9900K processor, the AoTS benchmark was set to run at 1080p and DirectX 11. At this resolution, the GTX 1660 Ti returned a score of 7,400 points, which roughly compares with the previous-generation GTX 1070, and is about 16-17 percent faster than the GTX 1060 6 GB. NVIDIA is expected to launch the GTX 1660 Ti some time in Spring-Summer, 2019, as a sub-$300 successor to the GTX 1060 series.
Source:
TUM_APISAK (Twitter)
155 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Put Through AoTS, About 16% Faster Than GTX 1060
Stagnant perf/dollar has nothing to do with Nvidia but with a lack of competition. If AMD competed and if we had a sizeable performance boost this generation in both camps, thén you would have seen prices drop. It won't happen by complaining to Nvidia and still rewarding them with 80% market share. You can see this in the midrange where AMD is still playing; the price of Vega has dropped considerably and the 350 dollar price point is now fiercely fought over. Here, we can get GTX 1080 performance at 66% of the price (give/take) it used to be at launch.
I think we will see an interesting dynamic in the coming months/year, one where the midrange is more than sufficient for mainstream resolutions at pretty fantastic FPS and quality settings, while any more powerful GPU costs an arm and a leg. High end GPU will possibly stagnate even more or price itself out of the market - Turing is already a clear example of this with the 2080(ti) and Radeon 7 is following suit. And this may continue until either Nvidia or AMD find ways to implement an MCM solution effectively, doing the Zen yield efficiency trick all over again. Both camps now have super large dies in the high end, its not something they can keep up in a cost effective way. Neither Radeon 7 or TU102 are viable for future iterations at a reasonable price.
Till we get there, if we cross that bridge, I'll hold on to that thought.
Everything is possible I think its mostly a question of cost effectiveness, that is why you speak of a CF/SLI 'hangover' (there was also a time when it was almost mandatory for high-end performance!) and that is also why Zen is so succesful, it comes at a time where new nodes and the performance/die size we require are creating major difficulties in terms of scaling. Had AMD launched their Zen during the Bulldozer days, it may have fallen flat on its face because Intel could just as easily push out monolithic chips. Yes. The penny dropped :)
That is the essence of luxury. And as humans we are quick to forget that what we've attained are in fact luxuries and are quick to convert those into 'necessities' in our heads. That is exactly what you see here and exactly why some of you seem to have problems with stating that a video card is a luxury. Its called entitlement and its a widespread issue.
I prefer counting my blessings on what I have right now, and be thankful for every day I can live in wealth and good health. Once you've visited a few less fortunate countries (or live in one) you'll get a pretty clear picture of what is luxury and what is not. Its not abstract at all, the only abstract here is every individuals' frame of reference. Which can also be translated to 'you haven't seen much of the world if you think a video card is not a luxury'. Just because one lacks knowledge doesn't suddenly change a definition.
At this point, it's as much a hindrance as much as it is a boon for the platform.
We can't get good comparison of actual perf/watt as W1zzard doesn't include the RX 590 in the latest reviews. That said the RX590 is not nearly in the RTX 2060 territory, while actually hard to correlate that data point between reviews. Kind of wish their was like the Sapphire RX 590 NITRO+ Special Edition in those RTX 2060 charts... ugliness be dammed.
Hopefully people do realize that eventually... AMD said that a die shrink of the IO portion of a CPU's die doesn't scale better performance compared to die shrinking the cores. You have it completely wrong lol, and AMD is correct in that statement. For example it's not like die-shrinking Haswell's memory controller did a whole lot for performance or efficiency compared to die shrinking the actual cores.
Also just to be clear - are you actually calling Infinity Fabric a "one trick pony"? Even if it was, that's one hell of a trick that allowed AMD to make Desktop cpu's that obliterate Intel's HEDT line-up.
OMITTED example: It's a luxury for me to wake up and draw breath not as a citizen of North Korea every morning.
by your logic then they should have just kept releasing 16% faster gpus and still charge 50-100 bucks more with each generation
It's not like the new cards are never going to have discounts.
It's stuck on 14nm, it will draw the same amount of power (give or take some tweaks).
Have you missed the news lately? AMD showed off an R5 3600 matching a $500 9900K while using close to half the energy.
I mean seriously listen to yourself - you are saying I am "playing dumb" when you literally haven't paid attention to the latest developments. What's scary is there are people liking your posts that have absolutely zero facts behind them. You clearly don't even know what Infinity Fabric is, and yet you seem to fancy yourself an armchair expert. Then again fanboys like hearing fanboys parrot their own beliefs back to themselves....
But I will continue to bite in the off chance you might want to learn - Why are you accusing me of "Playing Dumb?" Have you actually not seen the latest demo's of the ZEN 3000 series?
1. Folks who make a living at this examine the market and ascertain "what the market will bear".
2. Vendors will always sell at a premium over this number as early after release, they can't sell more than they can get,
3. As supply catches up with demand, the sale prices will come into line.
4. If supply can't keep up, prices will rise; if supply exceeds demand prices will drop.
5. Prices will always follow what the market will bear. It's not "shenanigans", it's called capitalism.
6. Board members are fiscally responsible to their shareholders and have a legal obligation to maximize shareholder returns
7. So pricing procedures will ignore any philanthropic reasoning; only 2 things can affect that. a) competition and customer price ceilings
8. AMD has been unable to compete in the upper tiers for some time and with each successive generation of late has lost 1 more tier.
9. Customers want what they want ... until they are able to exercise restraint, the only option they have is buy and cry.
10. In the US, we still have the tariff penalty. Buy a complete PC made in china = no tariff .... buy the parts and built pay the penalty