Monday, March 18th 2019

Borderlands 3 Possibly Exclusive to Epic Games Store on PC, Fans Worry Based on Old Tweet

Randy Pitchford is an interesting character even as game company CEOs go, with a.. checkered history in the last few months that go from funny all the way to controversial at minimum. As the head of Gearbox, he holds a lot of power when it comes to the Borderlands franchise, which itself teased a third numbered entry to be revealed at PAX East later this month. His social media activity has been a prime example of what not to do as a CEO owing to some personal and professional issues alike, which meant that this latest tease not only got people looking at more about the Borderlands franchise, but also his twitter account.

Users dug up an old tweet from December 2018 wherein he claimed he was "excited to support the Epic Games Store", and this was enough to initiate concerns that Borderlands 3 might be an exclusive to the Epic Games Store on the PC platform. Subsequent replies did nothing to quell these concerns, although there was nothing to confirm anything either. This may all be making a mountain out of an imaginary molehill, but it makes sense for Epic Games to go after Borderlands 3 to get more customers on their side- especially knowing that such exclusivity deals could be in the millions of US dollars. We will know more when the game is officially announced, so keep an eye out for that.
Source: Randy Pitchford on Twitter
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109 Comments on Borderlands 3 Possibly Exclusive to Epic Games Store on PC, Fans Worry Based on Old Tweet

#76
moproblems99
oxidizedEGS is a platform, Epic launcher was a launcher, steam is a platform
PC is a platform. EGS and Steam are applications.
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#77
AmioriK
lexluthermiesterThey are causing an upset. People are tired of having accounts all over the place just to do some gaming.
People are tired of the 10 extra seconds it takes to open the Epic Games Client? What about Origin or Uplay, GOG Galaxy or Bethesda net ? Are those all super bad too?
lexluthermiesterThen we have the blatant invasion of privacy at the hands of the Epic client. These are serious problems that require action and active resistance.
I assume you don't use Windows 10, then?

I think it has more to do with Steam Fanboyism and bandwagon jumping for 85% of people complaining than the points you listed above seriously.
oxidizedPlatform and launcher are two different things, EGS is a platform, Epic launcher was a launcher, steam is a platform, bethesda launcher...Well i guess you got it. Anyway it depends on what this platform offers the user, and since EGS offers nothing to users, at least the ones with pinch of brain, there's really no reason to install it unless...
.....Unless it has a game that I want to play that's only available there, and I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram because it's not on Steam? btw i meant "game client" when i said "launcher".
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#78
Lorec
AmioriKPeople are tired of the 10 extra seconds it takes to open the Epic Games Client? What about Origin or Uplay, GOG Galaxy or Bethesda net ? Are those all super bad too?
Yes.
AmioriKI assume you don't use Windows 10, then?
We do.
Windows 10 1803 OPTIMIZATION Guide For GAMERS & POWER USERS!
AmioriKI think it has more to do with Steam Fanboyism and bandwagon jumping for 85% of people complaining than the points you listed above seriously.
There is fair number of ppl who want to join in on hate.
Take for example YT comments spamming under diablo immortal trailer.
Either that or EGS has no features whatsoever and is thrashy, so the only reason Id ever consider installing is by being forced to (like in Borderlands 3 example).

Thats why I have this thrash-of-a-store Origin installed.
To be able to play Dragon Age, nothing more.
Is this really what You guys want?
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#79
AmioriK
LorecEither that or EGS has no features whatsoever and is thrashy, so the only reason Id ever consider installing is by being forced to (like in Borderlands 3 example).

Thats why I have this thrash-of-a-store Origin installed.
To be able to play Dragon Age, nothing more.
Is this really what You guys want?
Your reply kinda just reinforces my point about Steam Fanboyism lol...

Also, do you really buy a game to get the gimmicky acheivements or chat your friends in the game (you can do this with Discord anyway, or even add the game to steam lol), make wish list,etc, ec blah blah.......IDK about you guys, but when I buy a game I kinda just wanna, you know, play the game? Which the Epic client does perfectly well.

This is a huuuge case of 'mountain out of a molehill' by whinging Steam fanboys.

Unpopular opinion; It's actually good that Deep Silver took the game off steam, why? because steam charge a huge cut of each sale, and with the Epic store, the dev gets more money for the product they worked so hard to create. It's the same price, too: more of the £69.99 I paid for the Gold edition -on the Epic store- is going to 4A, not lining Gabe's pocket. if it were more expensive I would understand the outrage. But it's not, so un-twist your panties and stop having a tantrum.

Oh and I haven't had my identity stolen, no one's turned up at my house to try and kill me yet, etc.
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#80
Lorec
AmioriKAlso, do you really buy a game to get the gimmicky acheivements or chat your friends in the game (you can do this with Discord anyway, or even add the game to steam lol), make wish list,etc, ec blah blah.......
Thats not the case.
btw Discord is another app to run.
AmioriKbut when I buy a game I kinda just wanna, you know, play the game? Which the Epic client does perfectly well.
How about each game developer have their own store?
So I can download 350+ stores for my 350+ games.
AmioriKUnpopular opinion; It's actually good that Deep Silver took the game off steam, why? because steam charge a huge cut of each sale, and with the Epic store, the dev gets more money for the product they worked so hard to create. It's the same price, too: more of the £69.99 I paid for the Gold edition -on the Epic store- is going to 4A, not lining Gabe's pocket. if it were more expensive I would understand the outrage. But it's not, so un-twist your panties and stop having a tantrum.
On steam they have access to millions of users from early 2000s.
On EGS they have thousands of fortnite kids.
(all due respect to fortnite, I love the game. Thanks to its existance CSGO servers are free of kids)
AmioriKOh and I haven't had my identity stolen, no one's turned up at my house to try and kill me yet, etc.
yet lol
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#81
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
AmioriKOh and I haven't had my identity stolen
No but my email was “stolen” for someone trying to create an Epic account. I of course “stole it back” I’ll admit I’m lazy and old and still using a hotmail address so I am a target. I wouldn’t have an Epic account if it weren’t for that nice Russian chap :roll:
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#82
Gasaraki
NxodusWho cares about Steam if the game is good? Who would possibly miss a good game because you can't collect stupid steam achievements and childish badges and points. Steam steals money from developers with their astoundingly high fees while doing exactly nothing besides an overpriced webshop. Valve should get back to developing games instead of ripping off dev studios who actually work.
I don't see people crying over PS4 or XBOX exclusives. If Steam wants to compete, they need to lower the amount they take from developers.
UbersonicYou do understand that devs make more money from being on Steam than being on the EGS right? 70% of something is better than 88% of nothing. And that's ignoring the fact that Epic are probably going to have to increase their cut and stop handing out big money exclusivity bribes once the Fortnite windfall dries up. That's the reason they're throwing all this money around, they are desperate to try and gain market share before the golden goose dies.



It doesn't work because a significant amount of user would do exactly that, hence why Epic are bribing developers to be exclusive to their store in the first place, to forcibly avoid that situation.
OK, where's this data? You're telling me that the developers are willing to make LESS money on the Epic store just to spite you. NO, game companies are in the business to make money. If they feel that they can make more from the Epic store (either from epic paying them more) than Steam, they will do it.
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#83
64K
Well, here we go again......

Obsidian Entertainment announced that their new game The Outer Worlds will be an exclusive on the Epic Store and the Microsoft Store for 1 year. Remedy Entertainment has said that their game Control will be an exclusive on the Epic Store as well.

Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls and Detroit: Become Human will be also coming exclusively on Epic’s store.
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#84
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
64KWell, here we go again......

Obsidian Entertainment announced that their new game The Outer Worlds will be an exclusive on the Epic Store and the Microsoft Store for 1 year. Remedy Entertainment has said that their game Control will be an exclusive on the Epic Store as well.
Both are the two games I have been waiting almost a year for since I first learned of them. They are easily for me the two favorites unless CP2077 releases this year.

This will be quite the dilemma for me and many others. At this point people are going to have to decide if they are going to consistently forego AAA releases or go ahead and enjoy themselves.
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#85
moproblems99
rtwjunkieBoth are the two games I have been waiting almost a year for since I first learned of them. They are easily for me the two favorites unless CP2077 releases this year.

This will be quite the dilemma for me and many others. At this point people are going to have to decide if they are going to consistently forego AAA releases or go ahead and enjoy themselves.
I have a good idea what will happen. I'll likely pickup Metro when I am done with Odyssey unless CP2077 is out. Not expecting that though.
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#86
64K
Some more news.....

Deep Silver and Epic announced that Metro Exodus sold 2.5 times better on the Epic Store than Last Light did on Steam. So I guess we have our answer to what a lot of people are doing. They are signing up for an Epic Store account it seems.
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#87
moproblems99
64KSome more news.....

Deep Silver and Epic announced that Metro Exodus sold 2.5 times better on the Epic Store than Last Light did on Steam. So I guess we have our answer to what a lot of people are doing. They are signing up for an Epic Store account it seems.
Was Last Light initially sold on Steam? Or was it somewhere else first?
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#88
64K
moproblems99Was Last Light initially sold on Steam? Or was it somewhere else first?
On Steam. Later it went to GOG also.
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#89
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Detroit: Become Human is also coming to PC finally, and exclusively on Epic.

Valve is going to have to learn to compete or Steam will lose a lot of big games...and market share.
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#90
biffzinker
INSTG8RNo but my email was “stolen” for someone trying to create an Epic account.
Same happened to me before the Epic Game Store, even made a profile post about it.

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#91
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
biffzinkerSame happened to me before the Epic Game Store, even made a profile post about it.

Yeah I just followed the link and changed the password. Sorry Fortnite scrub it’s mine now!
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#92
64K
INSTG8RYeah I just followed the link and changed the password. Sorry Fortnite scrub it’s mine now!
If you took Fortnight away from biffzinker then you did him a favor. :laugh:
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#93
biffzinker
64KIf you took Fortnight away from biffzinker then you did him a favor. :laugh:
Never got around to playing fortnite.
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#94
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
64KIf you took Fortnight away from biffzinker then you did him a favor. :laugh:
Nah some Russian chap, probably trying to make a throwaway account at my expense.
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#95
oxidized
moproblems99PC is a platform. EGS and Steam are applications.
That's different meaning of "platform"

Nice try tho.
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#96
biffzinker
oxidizedThat's different meaning of "platform"

Nice try tho.
How else would you refer to 'PC' as being a platform? Windows? Wintel?
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#97
moproblems99
biffzinkerHow else would you refer to 'PC' as being a platform? Windows? Wintel?
I guess everything is a platform.

I use the Discord Platform. I eat the Kellog's Platform. Get with the times bruh.
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#98
oxidized
biffzinkerHow else would you refer to 'PC' as being a platform? Windows? Wintel?
It is a platform, just not the platform you refer to when talking about steam. I don't understand what's your problem people.
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#99
vega22
Lorecokay,all due respect to people talking about healthy competition and all.
Wouldnt it be "healthy" if both stores had it?
So You can choose? (I know its not easy to do so, but oh well)

If its only a niche shop exclusive, like Borderlands 3 has a chance to become, then we have no choice whatsoever.
Id say its against the rights of a consumer (in a weird, flawed way but bare with me).

Its like, imagine You are standing neck high in a puddle of urine, and there is a person ready to shovel excrement all over Your face.
Will You dive in the piss? or will You take on the s***?

But, I will wait until an actual reveal, before I get carried away with my imagination.
mr Pitchford dont let me down.
Competition is not just for those buying the games, it is for those looking to sell their wares too.

Now for transparency, I'm an indy game dev. Both of these are platforms looking for my content ( not just mine, don't get me wrong).

Valve want to take 30% of my income before I pay any other bills, engine rights, content creation bills and such. Now ok it slides, they only want that for the first 10 mil made. Then they want 25% of the next 40 mil and then 20% of everything after 50mil. Then if I use their engine they still want paying another 15% on top of everything regardless. Epic, on the other hand, want a 12% flat rate. Then if I use their engine they don't charge the 5% fee for that. They don't want paying twice which valve do.

How is that for a competitive reason to avoid steam?

Now from a game buying perspective, which I also am. I love games and metro is by far my all time favourite single player series. I want the people whose work I enjoy to profit from my money. I want my money to go to improving the game or funding more. If that means using origin, uplay or in this case epics store so be it.

Valve used to be the shit. 12/15 years ago they made the best games in the world in my eyes. They used that to leverage steam and forced the PC gaming world into its walled garden. Now today they no longer make games as they get a pretty nice chunk of all the games they sell.

Now it has plus points too, they took the best parts from xfire (showing my age now xD) and integrated it into the game delivery system. It made pc gaming easier for gamers, no doubt. But that focus soon shifted to one that just made them money. Not the people making the contents, not savings for those spending the money....

Now look at steam, they are reacting as we speak. The GUI update is a knee jerk reaction. No doubt they will follow suit with things too, better deals for Devs, maybe even with improved sdks or possibly grants too? Who knows where it will end.

For me I will buy my games where I know the people making it get the best deal. Right now it's epic, maybe tomorrow it will be steam or discord or some new one?
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#100
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
moproblems99I guess everything is a platform.

I use the Discord Platform. I eat the Kellog's Platform. Get with the times bruh.
It's not. Biffzinker is correct. The PC is a platform. The game company stores are launchers/managers.
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