GrandLinemaybe because I'm just a noob, I don't know the differences between these platforms :p what I want is just to play the games.

Nah, it isn't you. That is what these things are for.

GrandLinewhich makes me wonder, is any of you can give me objective comparisson between Steam and Epic?

Oh boi, you're about to get buried in 5 pages of 'coz teh steamz betterz'.

GrandLineah, Borderlands 3. finally :)
I've played the original Borderlands nearly 10 years ago. I always playing it with my cousin and it was so much fun :D I definitely will gonna buy it, regardless the store platform. I'm not only have steam, but also uplay, origin, blizzard, gog and epic. so, it's doesn't matter for me. maybe because I'm just a noob, I don't know the differences between these platforms :p what I want is just to play the games. if the game is on steam, then I definitely buy it. but if it's not (e.g. Diablo), then I will buy it on their respective platforms. I still don't get it why people glorify one particular platform and loathe another platform.
which makes me wonder, is any of you can give me objective comparisson between Steam and Epic?
or all of these are just subjective matters?

moproblems99Nah, it isn't you. That is what these things are for.
Oh boi, you're about to get buried in 5 pages of 'coz teh steamz betterz'.

Lemme throw first stone lol


Imagine using 10 stores, 10 different apps. Updating, starting with Windows (Im aware You can turn it off). Is this the life You want to live?

LorecImagine using 10 stores, 10 different apps. Updating, starting with Windows (Im aware You can turn it off). Is this the life You want to live?

Might just leave a pro tip to set any stores you dont generally used to delayed startup, thus your boot times shouldn't be quite so shit and first run screen quite so cluttered.

Both Steem and Epic no longer honor user's review. Not buying anything from them ever again.

LorecLemme throw first stone lol


Imagine using 10 stores, 10 different apps. Updating, starting with Windows (Im aware You can turn it off). Is this the life You want to live?

The one item not listed on that chart which really tells you everything you need to know about how good of a storefront the EGS is, is the fact that it lacks a search function. That's like one of the 3 things you need to be a functional storefront.

lexluthermiesterThey are causing an upset. People are tired of having accounts all over the place just to do some gaming. The exclusivity nonsense is ultimately destructive in the long run. Then we have the blatant invasion of privacy at the hands of the Epic client. These are serious problems that require action and active resistance.

I'm sorry if I sound insensitive I don't really like the ideas of multi accounts either but hey even I am paying cbs just for star trek discovery since i cant just use my netflix heaven forbid. But I'm manning up and paying for it because whats the alternative? Storm cbs,disney,youtube,microsoft,epic,ea,ubisoft,bethesda, and amazons offices and demand that all digital movies and games be under one store? or complain online with oh why this and that? both options suck and go nowhere so i choose not the do them.

LorecImagine using 10 stores, 10 different apps. Updating, starting with Windows (Im aware You can turn it off). Is this the life You want to live?

Yeah, not sure why I would allow any high impact startup like a game store to run at startup, much less 10 of them.

LorecImagine using 10 stores, 10 different apps. Updating, starting with Windows (Im aware You can turn it off). Is this the life You want to live?

I mean I pretty much play one game at a time, so I really only need one store at a time.

Since some of you decided to hijack this, thread bans issued and cleansed of all the offending posts.

I dont wanna ban so I will put it short:
I have Borderlands, Borderlands 2 and Borderlands the pre-sequel on Steam.
I want Borderlands 3 there as well, all nice and tidy :)
Tidyness is the keyword here, maybe thats what mr Pitchford is lacking in his "mindset".
People who see big picture tend to miss detail.

Oh yeah baby...
Randy "Child Porn" Pitchford, at it again.

On the topic of exclusivity, I dont buy games until they are $20 or less, so these year long exclusives dont concern me as much...
Only one game out there worthy of my (full priced) money and that's CP2077. And I'll be getting that directly on GOG, day 1.

The fact they won't release games on discs proves they are after more than the initial purchase price from us.
"value addons" via game stores are where it is at, draining the consumers pockets.

Caring1The fact they won't release games on discs proves they are after more than the initial purchase price from us.
"value addons" via game stores are where it is at, draining the consumers pockets.

If by value add ons you are referring to DLC then yes you can count on Borderlands 3 having a flood of DLC. Borderlands 2 had 46 DLCs. iirc the base game was $50 and soon after there was $103 worth of DLC. Garbage DLC and micro-transactions is where the money is these days. For example Ubisoft said last year in one of their Financial Statements that they now make more revenue from micro-transactions than they do from the actual games.

I have no problems with Epic Games Store but I have problems with Borderlands. Seriously, I played a few hours of Borderlands 2 a few months ago and it all came flooding back. Namely, the grind, the boring/forgettable story, the sameness, the linear-ness, the consolitis, and so on. I'm not buying it because of EGS, no, I'm not buying it because I have no expectation that it is a good game worth buying.

If the lottery was ever a video game, Borderlands is what it would be. You keep on looking in every portapotty, pile of dung, and trash can for that 1:1,000 chance it will spawn something worth having. I'll be busy not doing that. :roll:

If its an exclusive ill pass.
Or go the other route.

If it was on steam id play it.
Even pay more on steam :P

Good, people need more choice and valve need more competition.

Valve have made buying games a game and people bought into it hook line and sinker....

I can't wait to play it without the mindless zealots who think valve have their backs with steam.

vega22Good, people need more choice and valve need more competition.
Valve have made buying games a game and people bought into it hook line and sinker....
I can't wait to play it without the mindless zealots who think valve have their backs with steam.

okay,all due respect to people talking about healthy competition and all.
Wouldnt it be "healthy" if both stores had it?
So You can choose? (I know its not easy to do so, but oh well)

If its only a niche shop exclusive, like Borderlands 3 has a chance to become, then we have no choice whatsoever.
Id say its against the rights of a consumer (in a weird, flawed way but bare with me).

Its like, imagine You are standing neck high in a puddle of urine, and there is a person ready to shovel excrement all over Your face.
Will You dive in the piss? or will You take on the s***?

But, I will wait until an actual reveal, before I get carried away with my imagination.
mr Pitchford dont let me down.

rtwjunkieYeah, not sure why I would allow any high impact startup like a game store to run at startup, much less 10 of them.

Yeah... not sure what the problem is with just clicking the icon of the game you want to play, have the 'store' fire itself up because its required to open the game in question. Job done, no long boot, no 865101 applications running in background. If you frequent one store, you can have it on startup. Tons of options! But somehow, the best option to people is 'not installing it' because its a new icon :D

I also love how dozens of insignificant (or downright false) things are dragged along to make a point about EGS. They'll survive, though, I have no doubt about that. In a year from now I think quite a few people here will be looking at their posts in amazement. The bandwagon is real.

Lorecokay,all due respect to people talking about healthy competition and all.
Wouldnt it be "healthy" if both stores had it?
So You can choose? (I know its not easy to do so, but oh well)

If its only a niche shop exclusive, like Borderlands 3 has a chance to become, then we have no choice whatsoever.
Id say its against the rights of a consumer (in a weird, flawed way but bare with me).

Its like, imagine You are standing neck high in a puddle of urine, and there is a person ready to shovel excrement all over Your face.
Will You dive in the piss? or will You take on the s***?

But, I will wait until an actual reveal, before I get carried away with my imagination.
mr Pitchford dont let me down.

You may consider it 'inconvenient' but let's compare it with something non-gaming:
Supermarket Y and Supermarket X. Y always sold you the Coca Cola, but now X has made an exclusivity deal and you don't generally go there. But, your favorite drink is Coca Cola.

What will you do? Not drink it? Or will you cave and find a way to make the trip to Supermarket X worthwhile, for example by combining it with other things you need nearby, or getting other products at Supermarket X while you're there anyway.

I think the answer to that is obvious. You adapt, because you don't want to lose your favorite drink. But now put that in the context of launchers/games. With launchers, the inconvenience is 100% emotional: you don't need to drive an extra mile, you don't need to reshuffle your shopping lists, you don't need to compare products between stores. All you need to do is click a mouse button and make a purchase. This isn't forced exclusivity, its self-imposed. You have the access, the hardware and the means, but you choose not to get a product. That is the market as it should be, and that is why products are exclusive to specific stores. The when and why is irrelevant, it is what it is, deal with it.

Note: I don't work for Coca Cola :D

PS: about healthy competition: NO. It is not healthy competition if every store sells the same products. Because all that is left then is for stores to compete on price, and that is a race to the bottom. That is EXACTLY why exclusives exist, and it is, ironically, also EXACTLY why Steam has built all sorts of additional features around their store. They offer things the competition doesn't have, or doesn't have yet. You could say integrated mod support for example, is exclusive to Steam at this point; and that may well be a reason not to get a game on EGS. On the other hand, you could also solve that with a bit of extra effort and a visit to Nexusmods. If you want something, you can make it happen, and EGS or exclusivity deals don't change any of that.

Vayra86Supermarket Y and Supermarket X. Y always sold you the Coca Cola, but now X has made an exclusivity deal and you don't generally go there. But, your favorite drink is Coca Cola.
What will you do? Not drink it? Or will you cave and find a way to make the trip to Supermarket X worthwhile, for example by combining it with other things you need nearby, or getting other products at Supermarket X while you're there anyway.
I think the answer to that is obvious. You adapt, because you don't want to lose your favorite drink. But now put that in the context of launchers/games. With launchers, the inconvenience is 100% emotional: you don't need to drive an extra mile, you don't need to reshuffle your shopping lists, you don't need to compare products between stores. All you need to do is click a mouse button and make a purchase. This isn't forced exclusivity, its self-imposed. You have the access, the hardware and the means, but you choose not to get a product.

Note: I don't work for Coca Cola :D

Thats a really nice example there. Thanks.
But what if there is one more factor? Like for example loyality points?
I tend to always shop in one supermarket bcoz once couple months I can get a bagfull of booze for free.
Thats what I get for loyality.

In gaming example, I dont get that much of a profit, but I have the convenience of having it all in one spot.

worth noting: using one shop at the time means that when You launch it to play You have to deal with updates,notes,changes and so on...
again, returning to an example with puddle of piss lol

LorecThats a really nice example there. Thanks.
But what if there is one more factor? Like for example loyality points?
I tend to always shop in one supermarket bcoz once couple months I can get a bagfull of booze for free.
Thats what I get for loyality.

In gaming example, I dont get that much of a profit, but I have the convenience of having it all in one spot.

worth noting: using one shop at the time means that when You launch it to play You have to deal with updates,notes,changes and so on...
again, returning to an example with puddle of piss lol

Loyalty points? Again, when it comes to that supermarket, what happens in the real world is you either toss them out, give them to someone else, or you finish your loyalty point requirement with some useless purchases to get something you never needed anyway. :rolleyes:

As for shop updates... those take all of five seconds most of the time. Game updates can take longer, but this isn't any different when you start up six stores on boot. In fact, when you get all six, you'll wait longer and you will be pausing the downloads you don't need. When you launch Steam, it almost always has an update if you're gone for more than a few days, and then.. you'll also be pausing the game updates you're not playing right away. Nothing is new here...

Lorecwhen You launch it to play You have to deal with updates,notes,changes and so on.

None of which really take very long. I have no issue with it. My world isn’t going to end because I wait a few minutes occasionally for updates. And it is only occasionally, even with over 400 Steam games.

I wonder how long I'll keep seeing "but competition is healthy!" from people despite the fact that this Steam vs. EGS thing is not standard private sector competition.

I think a growing majority of 'gamers' (ie, the ones that have aged and have careers) have learned that they don't have that much time to game anymore. So when they do, they just want to sit down and play. Everything else is just superfluous noise that doesn't impact the prime directive: gaming.

Note: Multiplayer does make those 'extra features' nice but who doesn't have Discord?

EDIT: maybe not majority now, but it will be as life isn't getting any cheaper.

oxidizedYou talk like someone who doesn't know what's he talking about.

No, I talk like someone who doesn't give a s*** about using another game launcher.

AmioriKNo, I talk like someone who doesn't give a s*** about using another game launcher.

Platform and launcher are two different things, EGS is a platform, Epic launcher was a launcher, steam is a platform, bethesda launcher...Well i guess you got it. Anyway it depends on what this platform offers the user, and since EGS offers nothing to users, at least the ones with pinch of brain, there's really no reason to install it unless...