JossThese firmware updates, they're at BIOS level right?
Or is it possible to update a CPU itself?

The microcode is updated on boot by BIOS/UEFI, but it can be updated while running by the operating system as well. Microsoft does it for Intel via Windows Update. Linux has the capability as well.

DeathyMy MSI B450M Mortar has ABBA since 20. Sept. :) It'll go into my secondary rig because I just got the AsRock X570M Pro4 and am happy with it in my primary. But considering most Gigabyte 4xx boards are supposed to be terrible, brand loyalty is a pretty stupid thing to have.
Also, maybe update your system specs. :D Or is this a second or third system of yours?

That's an awfully vague assumption to make, considering that GB generally makes consistently decent VRMs on everything above their rock bottom SKUs, ASRock's mATX power delivery is the laughingstock of X570, and MSI is the only vendor who can't make 128Mb BIOS chips work with fully fledged BIOS. :confused:

Whichever product works for you is the right one for you, at the end of the day. Objectively speaking, Gigabyte is slightly on the better side of vendors when it comes to releasing new AGESA BIOSes, slightly. That's a good thing for a platform where AGESA updates are of significant importance.

Which makes me simultaneously excited and apprehensive about 1.0.0.4, as I want to see what AMD has in store, but also am hesitant to do another BIOS flash that I don't exactly need. AMD's changelogs as of late haven't been particularly helpful.

Good news, bad news for the haters that have an aye

tabascosauzThat's an awfully vague assumption to make, considering that GB generally makes consistently decent VRMs on everything above their rock bottom SKUs, ASRock's mATX power delivery is the laughingstock of X570, and MSI is the only vendor who can't make 128Mb BIOS chips work with fully fledged BIOS. :confused:

Whichever product works for you is the right one for you, at the end of the day. Objectively speaking, Gigabyte is slightly on the better side of vendors when it comes to releasing new AGESA BIOSes, slightly. That's a good thing for a platform where AGESA updates are of significant importance.

Which makes me simultaneously excited and apprehensive about 1.0.0.4, as I want to see what AMD has in store, but also am hesitant to do another BIOS flash that I don't exactly need. AMD's changelogs as of late haven't been particularly helpful.

GA are picky with memory.

TurmaniaThe AMD I know this translates into we will improve 100 bits and break 200 bits....

You are infinitely wrong

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-agesa-1-0-0-3abba-detailed-fixes-zen2-boost-issues.259080/page-5

A random YouTuber makes a completely unsubstantiated claim and all of a sudden it's front-page news.

Amd is going to keep reviewers doing tests to see if any of these so called improvements mean anything.

You know what would be nice; faster boot up time. My ASUS ROG CHH8 goes through like post check 2 init cycles (where it cycles through all the Q codes) before it hits the boot device. This adds like 15-20 seconds to boot, thats with fast boot and UEFI mode only (CSM off). Now I don't know if that has anything to do with the way microcode is added during boot, or if this is just vendor specific to how this board behaves. My Gigabyte B450m DS3H does boot faster.

Abba came along today for my MSI B450 Gaming plus. CB boosting is now cured, regularly see 4.375, and outside of that 4.4. Average is about 4.325-4.35. Windows is not assigning load to the fastest cores however. It's also correctly throtteling down when idle. Going down to 3.6 ghz and 1.03 core voltage now as I'm typing this with an idle system.

If AMD improves bios even further, It's going to be too good true.

Tech reviewers have to start calling AMD CPUs by their arch name or specific series name because saying AMD Zen CPUs it's like saying Intel Core CPUs .... i mean sure cool which one ?

Hopefully Zen and Zen+ do benefit from 1.0.0.4 but i wouldn't hold my breath on this . Also does anyone knows if there are any compatibility issues between Zen/Zen+ and ABBA ?

ncrsASRock for example is skipping ABBA on non-X570 boards and will bring this new one to all older ones instead.

Ah, that's news to me. I'll stop checking for a couple of weeks

abysalYou know what would be nice; faster boot up time. My ASUS ROG CHH8 goes through like post check 2 init cycles (where it cycles through all the Q codes) before it hits the boot device. This adds like 15-20 seconds to boot, thats with fast boot and UEFI mode only (CSM off). Now I don't know if that has anything to do with the way microcode is added during boot, or if this is just vendor specific to how this board behaves. My Gigabyte B450m DS3H does boot faster.

Vendor-specific I think. I've experienced that on various HEDT (X299 from Asus/Msi, X399 boards from Asrock and Gigabyte) whilst MSI seem to have that annoying Q-code cycle delay even on their cheaper mainstream consumer stuff for years.

einardAbba came along today for my MSI B450 Gaming plus. CB boosting is now cured, regularly see 4.375, and outside of that 4.4. Average is about 4.325-4.35. Windows is not assigning load to the fastest cores however. It's also correctly throtteling down when idle. Going down to 3.6 ghz and 1.03 core voltage now as I'm typing this with an idle system.

If AMD improves bios even further, It's going to be too good true.

if these compounding interest rates spill over to ryzen 4000 series alongside another 10% IPC boost, AMD will truly be impressive...

My MSI B350 also got an ABBA beta. It seems to get my 1200 on it's turbo a bit more often, but it could just be placebo.

Liviu CojocaruDriver issues, lots of BSOD's

that sucks I have a full amd system 3700x and 5700xt all watercooled no issue here, better luck next time.

Kind of a nothing article with no specifics. There's a new AGESA version coming? Who could have guessed!

danbert2000Kind of a nothing article with no specifics. There's a new AGESA version coming? Who could have guessed!

over 100 changes? and lot's of positive things...


no need to be so cynical in life, maybe instead just don't waste your time reading articles you know are dumb?

tabascosauzThat's an awfully vague assumption to make, considering that GB generally makes consistently decent VRMs on everything above their rock bottom SKUs, ASRock's mATX power delivery is the laughingstock of X570, and MSI is the only vendor who can't make 128Mb BIOS chips work with fully fledged BIOS. :confused:

That's an awful lot of things that you read into my post. I never said anything about MSI or AsRock apart from stating that I own them and that the MSI motherboard has the ABBA Agesa.
Also does this chart ("AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.3 (2019-09-04) : AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.3" - Google Docs, I have no reason to dispute them so far) seem like a great advertisment for Ggiabyte? Just asking for a friend. :) I never advertised for MSI or AsRock and I just stated my information about GAs sub-par VRMs in the 4xx series (which is backed by buildzoid and the spreadsheet) and my conclusion was that brand loyalty for brand loyalty sake is a stupid idea. And you seem to agree. :)

Don't expect any big performance improvements, in fact if there are some, it will probably be in the 0.1% to 1.5% region.

Mr.Mopar392that sucks I have a full amd system 3700x and 5700xt all watercooled no issue here, better luck next time.

Had zero issues here either, 3900x and 5700xt was smooth on x470 and smooth on x570. No issues!

tfdsafDon't expect any big performance improvements, in fact if there are some, it will probably be in the 0.1% to 1.5% region.

To be fair, everything counts. When this - hypothetically - happens say five times, it's significant.

OctopussTo be fair, everything counts. When this - hypothetically - happens say five times, it's significant.

Indeed. That's the opposite to Intel CPU's performance losses from security patches to close the holes...

Dave65Had zero issues here either, 3900x and 5700xt was smooth on x470 and smooth on x570. No issues!

Yep absolutely no stability or other issues at all with the X470 (ABBA bios), 3700X and the 5700 XT combo. Have air cooling including a Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler and an Arctic Twin Turbo III GPU cooler with three Noctua 92mm NF-A9x14 fans (one for the memory and voltage regulators heatsink). Super cool and quiet, both coolers however take up a lot of space!

im counting on another microcode update soon.

einardAbba came along today for my MSI B450 Gaming plus. CB boosting is now cured, regularly see 4.375, and outside of that 4.4. Average is about 4.325-4.35. Windows is not assigning load to the fastest cores however. It's also correctly throtteling down when idle. Going down to 3.6 ghz and 1.03 core voltage now as I'm typing this with an idle system.

If AMD improves bios even further, It's going to be too good true.

I envy you. MSI must hate me and other X470 owners - no ABBA for us - maybe they think we doesn't like 70s / 80s swedish pop stars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBA

3.6GHz all core and 1.46V Vcore with only 2 tabs open in Firefox. CPU temp is 45ºC in a well ventilated case (2x120 intake, 1x120 + 1x140 exhaust fans).
My old i5-4690K idles at 32ºC in the same room doing the same thing in a case with only one 90mm exhaust fan. :cry:

HD64GIndeed. That's the opposite to Intel CPU's performance losses from security patches to close the holes...

I was trying to avoid saying that... It was the first thing that came to mind.

holyprofI envy you. MSI must hate me and other X470 owners - no ABBA for us - maybe they think we doesn't like 70s / 80s swedish pop stars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBA

3.6GHz all core and 1.46V Vcore with only 2 tabs open in Firefox. CPU temp is 45ºC in a well ventilated case (2x120 intake, 1x120 + 1x140 exhaust fans).
My old i5-4690K idles at 32ºC in the same room doing the same thing in a case with only one 90mm exhaust fan. :cry:

Version
7A38vAJO(Beta version)

Description
- Update AMD ComboPI1.0.0.3 abba

B350 too.

GoldenXVersion
7A38vAJO(Beta version)

Description
- Update AMD ComboPI1.0.0.3 abba

B350 too.

MSI X470 Gaming Pro: Latest available BIOS is 7B79vAE, Release Date 2019-09-11, Memory compatibility patch to BIOS 7B79vAC (1.0.0.3ab) from 2019-07-25

WAKE UP MSI!

Continued bits of proof that 3000 series as launched was nothing more than a beta product (and actually alfa in some regards)