Wednesday, November 20th 2019
NVIDIA Readying GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER After All?
NVIDIA could launch a "GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Super" after all, if a tweet from kopite7kimi, an enthusiast with a fairly high hit-rate with NVIDIA rumors is to be believed. The purported SKU could be faster than the RTX 2080 Ti, and yet be somehow differentiated from the TITAN RTX. For starters, NVIDIA could enable all 4,608 CUDA cores, 576 tensor cores, and 72 RT cores, along with 288 TMUs and 96 ROPs. Compared to the current RTX 2080 Ti, the Super could get faster 16 Gbps GDDR6 memory.
It's possible that NVIDIA won't change the 352-bit memory bus width or 11 GB memory amount, as those would be the only things stopping the card from cannibalizing the TITAN RTX, which has the chip's full 384-bit memory bus width, and 24 GB of memory. Interestingly, at 16 Gbps with a 352-bit memory bus width, the RTX 2080 Ti Super would have 704 GB/s of memory bandwidth, which is higher than the 672 GB/s of the TITAN RTX, with its 14 Gbps memory clock. These design choices would ensure NVIDIA has a sufficiently faster product than the RTX 2080 Ti, without an increase in BOM, provided it has enough perfectly-functional "TU102" inventory to go around. There's no word on availability, although WCCFTech predicts a CES 2020 unveiling.
Sources:
kopite7kimi (Twitter), WCCFTech
It's possible that NVIDIA won't change the 352-bit memory bus width or 11 GB memory amount, as those would be the only things stopping the card from cannibalizing the TITAN RTX, which has the chip's full 384-bit memory bus width, and 24 GB of memory. Interestingly, at 16 Gbps with a 352-bit memory bus width, the RTX 2080 Ti Super would have 704 GB/s of memory bandwidth, which is higher than the 672 GB/s of the TITAN RTX, with its 14 Gbps memory clock. These design choices would ensure NVIDIA has a sufficiently faster product than the RTX 2080 Ti, without an increase in BOM, provided it has enough perfectly-functional "TU102" inventory to go around. There's no word on availability, although WCCFTech predicts a CES 2020 unveiling.
139 Comments on NVIDIA Readying GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER After All?
Then again, you still can, if you really, really, really want to.
you can still get a great $1000 cpu+gpu if you go for 2080 super and 3700x/9700kf,if that's not high end I don't know what is
it's just nvidia and amd made parts like 2080Ti and 3950x possible cause they know people would buy a $750 cpu and a $1000 gpu too.
Similar to the TITANX and XP, the 2080Ti is pretty much unchallenged by anything from AMD and I knew that if I just spent the money it would make me happy since I wouldn't need to upgrade for a while.
I didn't feel like waiting for the 2080 Ti Super and I doubt I would be willing to spend the $1500 they'll probably want for it.
Thus far I'm very happy with my purchase and have no buyer's remorse.
The 2080 Super just didn't have enough memory. When you play CoD MW with all settings at their highest and include Ray Tracing, the game tops out at 6GB memory used. I wasn't willing to take a chance with the 2080, 2070 or 2060 because I knew that games released next year would bring them to their knees.
I will skip the 3080Ti and upgrade to the 4080Ti.
Again, your post sums it up perfectly. Manufacturers, namely Intel and Nvidia because AMD was not competitive, have figured out that they could raise prices and people will still buy it. They conditioned consumers. Just because things are more expensive doesn't mean it is justified to spend $5000 when realistically those same parts would have cost $3000 to $4000 had the conditioning not occurred and we were just dealing with normal inflation/cost change.
A: Close to next generation
B: It would kill Nvidia's product line differentiation atm, which is Base Card then Super then Ti.
Back when 980Ti came out no card was sensibly faster (Titan was within measurement error). You could only enrol for the misery of SLI.Absolutely not what I said.
All 3 companies (seriously, AMD is no different even if you'd like to believe that) stretched their lineups, because they've noticed a "rich" segment of clients that can afford more than could have been bought.
980Ti costed $650, which today gets you a 2080 / 2070 Super. That's twice the performance in 4 years => +20% yearly. That's still better than what AMD does with Zen.
2080Ti is a product in a different segment and it's priced accordingly.
The problem here is that people are too focused on naming. You think 2080Ti is a successor of 1080Ti and 980Ti, which makes you unhappy with the pricing.
If 2070 Super was called 2080Ti and actual 2080Ti became 2090, you'd be perfectly fine with the pricing. :)The only reason to say that $5000 parts should cost $3000 is that you're able to buy or make equivalents for $3000, which is not the case.
I totally understand you'd wish that top components were cheaper - every consumer does. But that's just a wish. Don't get too attached.
Too little too late for Turing. Only way a set of Turing GPUs will end up in my machine is 2nd hand market.
I've been spending $8-1200 on GPU since 2012..... Prior to that I mostly gamed on console so as long as my PC ran Diablo and your typical RTS ( starcraft/C&C) I didn't really care.
2012 680 sli $1100 / 7970 $550 secondary pc.
2014 970 sli $800. Such a good value over the 980 at the time. The 3.5GB framebuffer killed this card before the actual peformance did at least for me though
2016 1080 sli $1400. I actually only intended on buying one but pre ordered 2 just in case one shop didn't get them at launch but both shipped and decided to keep both
2017 Titan XP $1200. decided to ditch sli and 1080 ti were over $1000 due to mining on the flip side I sold each 1080 for 700 on ebay but after fees I maybe lost 200 at most switching to a TItan XP.
2019 2080 ti $1155. I needed a second GPU for an additional system was originally going to buy a 2070 Super but my wife called me a Pussy for not just grabbing a 2080 ti
Honestly people complain about gpu pricing but in 2012 a GTX 680 couldn't even do 1080p max settings on release in every game with a single card and a lot of games were barely over 60fps..... I remember barely hitting 45fps in crysis till I got a second gpu for example a 5 year old game at the time. I will say this though being able to use uber sampling in witcher 2 with 680 was pretty cool at the time 1920X1200 rez.
I usually recommend people buy the fastest GPU they can afford and when 1 wasn't fast enough I always bought 2.
980ti launch price: $649.
1080ti launch price: $699. 35% performance increase over 980ti at 1080. +43% @4k
2080ti launch price: $1199. 19% performance increase over 1080ti at 1080. +28% @ 4k.
Yeah, league of it's own. World class. It didn't even come close to the leap the previous gen did. OHHHHHHHH but wait, how could I forget. RTX. Duh. You could do some RTX benchmarks for the first three months. Then you had 1.21 more games available at the 6 month mark. Even the games that did have it didn't look revolutionary. Battlefield looked worse. Granted, I could only see stills so perhaps some effect is loss not being there in person but what did the $500 increase get you? RTX ON at 1080p @60 Hz. Oh wait, they dumbed down the RTX in a title or two to make it more viable for their $1200 wonder card.
About $900 seemed like a more reasonable launch price given the above. But what do I know? People want what they want and will pay what they want. More power to them. But the price conditioning is real. And it isn't going way.
People can really only decide for themselves what makes the most sense when it comes to buying GPU XYZ..... I can give recommendations just like anyone else doesn't mean if they buy a 570 and I was recommending a 1660 ti either of us is wrong they just grabbed what they felt best fit their needs.
980 ti 601 mm²
2070 445 mm² / 2070 S 545 mm²
1080 ti 471 mm² / 2080 545 mm²
2080 ti 775 mm² I truly hope they make a similar sized 7nm gpu but I also cringe at the thought of what it will cost.
You have to figure even though the 1080 ti was a pretty amazing card for its time it cost significantly less to produce than the 980 ti or 2080 ti.... I think mostly what happened with Turing is in order to get the extra performance the die size had to increase substantially. you have to figure if 7nm was ready at Turing launch we may have gotten slightly better pricing..... But also AMD hasn't competed at the ultra high end in forever so who knows.
At the same time AMD has a much smaller die with the 5700 vs 2070 and sill prices the card similarly I'm guessing part of that is 7nm is more expensive but Also amd in the past 7970 up until now has mostly just matched Nvidia pricing on similarly performing cards.
I personally would have taken a 2080 ti at the same price with more smu and no RT cores.
Volta was technically slower in gaming with more SMs though so who knows past a certain amount the architecture may be bottlenecked by something else.