The biggest problems are the School policies. They say you can't or shouldn't bring these things to school, and yet there is no policy as to how the situation should be handled if it happens. The system leave the teachers to fend for themselves and the students believe that they have the right to resolve the situation on their own. If the school had proper policies about this; the ipod would have been turned into the office the same way belongings are surrendered when one goes to jail. The parents would have been notified and the item returned. Many teachers in my childrens school also take things from kids and due to the lack of policy these things usually end up getting lost or stolen or taken by the teachers. Yet, we are confused as to why children do such bad things.

watching and hearing folks from the UK getting angry is sooo funny, its like its "forced" out..maybe them british movies arnt that educational wise to learn about like in the UK lol

okay
american way of getting to the point when upset- F*ck off B*tch
british way- piss off u imbecilic bloody hell

mysticjonamerican way of getting to the point when upset- F*ck off B*tch
british way- piss off u imbecilic bloody hell

Stereotypically speaking, yes, but...I can't remember the last time someone told me to "fuck off, bitch".

Chewytrying to find a clip I read in yesterdays paper about a 70 year old x-military guy who was vacationing in florida with a bunch of friends from some club when their minivan was aproched by 3 men, one of whom was known to the law as a guy who would go around robbing people in the Area with a 38 knives and 2 friends. The thief put a gun to the bus drivers head while the other 2 were asking for valubles... the elders fought back and eventually his 2 friends took off while the x-military guy snaped the thiefs neck which killed the known thief. and because itr was an act of self defence they will not be charged.

couldent find a link it happened in ft.lauderdale, florida.

Yeah my neighbor was there.

russianboyGood idea,

who gives a sh1t if its old, it works, and that is what matters.

But thats the thing, it didn't work. That kind of punishment never workd, it just causes resentment and hate. I consider myself pretty level headed although I have a nasty temper if I am really pissed, so if someone was to hit me with a cane, I don't know what I'd do. Take the beating or go mental on the guy.

No, the teacher did what he should have but these kids weren't disciplined at an early enough age. The really annoying thing is that in the UK if the teacher had touched a hair on their heads, he'd have been sacked for child molestation, abuse, assault and god knows what else they could put on him. Thats the sad thing about the UK nowadays...

In all my honesty some teachers are REALLY "Jealous" the fact is, that when my friend's PSP was confiscated (his bag was open...) the teacher even said "I think my kids would love this"-Honestly, teachers that talk like that should get a teacher re-ed.

yeah its not the most mature way to go about it but what can u do some people are retarded lol than sometimes they pull it on the wrong person and boom.. it blows up in thier face. not saying thats what happened to the old man, its just what happens to people who do stupid things to the wrong person, or even anything to upset the wrong person.. as long as your in the right though your usually ok. humm yeah thats about it, treat everyone you meet well... you never know whos who.

Okay all you guys are purely acting stupid (not chewy), why bring back the cane? The Teacher and students are at fault. If the teacher said "I won't give it back"... then the students DO have a right to argue as it IS theft of property. On the students side, they are also wrong as they could have just asked "when will I get it back?".

tkpenaltyOkay all you guys are purely acting stupid (not chewy), why bring back the cane? The Teacher and students are at fault. If the teacher said "I won't give it back"... then the students DO have a right to argue as it IS theft of property. On the students side, they are also wrong as they could have just asked "when will I get it back?".

Actualy it's the School policy that is at fault. There is no set policy at most schools regarding how to properly confiscate personel property and no records are made or reciepts given. Thats why the teachers get away with keeping the stuff, or giving it away to other students, or even thrwoing it in the garbage!!

After all, stuff like cell phones, ipods, cameras etc etc aren't supposed to be at school at all, if Teacher saw one he/she should be able to confiscate for good (in case student doesn't have school's permission or smth alike). That would solve a lot of problems...

Yeah same thing lol. One of the teachers in my friend's school got fired when he tried to pull one of those "neck mp3" players off a girl. If I were the student and I wasn't getting it back... I would honestly threaten to file a lawsuit if the confiscated item was not returned (In some serious and very provocative-non crude language).

The first page of this thread is full of posters who need a re-ed in Human Rights, you guys don't even seem to have gone to school before.

Teachers in my school are not allowed to keep the items they give the item straight back to the student next lesson they have the teacher, next day OR at the end of the period. Stuff like knives will land you with a tackle-down job and a paddy wagon with handcuffs, sending you to the nearest police station.

An IPOD costs a lot of money and may be the student's pride. Losing it wouldn't be that bad compared it being confiscated and NOT returned. The student knows who took it so THUS, this IS the teacher, school and Student's fault.

Some notes to consider:
For the student to react in such a way, the teacher must have really disliked the student and the item was probably not going to be returned, the teacher could have exploited this AND taken the intellectual property (pride) as well as the Serial code. Thus the teacher would have recieved a very expensive item that IS harmless and does not pose a threat to the individuals in the classroom. How far a student progresses in school is mostly up to the student him/herself, if a teacher was to not hand the item back to the student, and if the item was with intellectual property then the teacher could be charged for theft of intellectual and physical property. This could even up the accusitions as the teacher was not injured enough to be completely crippled.

HOWEVER

The student may win the court case and be faced with another charge; piracy, yes this is a stab in the dark, noone has thought of this. The student is in an extremely disadvantageous postition, due to the fact that the student had stolen intellectual property, thus making the studen even more likely to be sent to a detention centre/face fines/parole.

Nevertheless if the teacher left the item at home he would face the charges the student would have to face. The medium of these three crimes is described in two words:

PURE STUPIDITY.

ShyskaAfter all, stuff like cell phones, ipods, cameras etc etc aren't supposed to be at school at all, if Teacher saw one he/she should be able to confiscate for good (in case student doesn't have school's permission or smth alike). That would solve a lot of problems...

Sure but that doesn't mean the teacher should keep your childs $200(+) cell phone, it should be returned to the parents. It's not like its a toy; like in the days the teachers started to confiscate things from kids in school. But that's the way most schools still look at it.

Also, lots of kids need to call for transportation after school (busses only every 4 hours)and the school will not let your child use their telephone and no payphones allowed on campus.

tkpenaltyYeah same thing lol. One of the teachers in my friend's school got fired when he tried to pull one of those "neck mp3" players off a girl. If I were the student and I wasn't getting it back... I would honestly threaten to file a lawsuit if the confiscated item was not returned (In some serious and very provocative-non crude language).

The first page of this thread is full of posters who need a re-ed in Human Rights, you guys don't even seem to have gone to school before.

Teachers in my school are not allowed to keep the items they give the item straight back to the student next lesson they have the teacher, next day OR at the end of the period. Stuff like knives will land you with a tackle-down job and a paddy wagon with handcuffs, sending you to the nearest police station.

An IPOD costs a lot of money and may be the student's pride. Losing it wouldn't be that bad compared it being confiscated and NOT returned. The student knows who took it so THUS, this IS the teacher, school and Student's fault.

Some notes to consider:
For the student to react in such a way, the teacher must have really disliked the student and the item was probably not going to be returned, the teacher could have exploited this AND taken the intellectual property (pride) as well as the Serial code. Thus the teacher would have recieved a very expensive item that IS harmless and does not pose a threat to the individuals in the classroom. How far a student progresses in school is mostly up to the student him/herself, if a teacher was to not hand the item back to the student, and if the item was with intellectual property then the teacher could be charged for theft of intellectual and physical property. This could even up the accusitions as the teacher was not injured enough to be completely crippled.

HOWEVER

The student may win the court case and be faced with another charge; piracy, yes this is a stab in the dark, noone has thought of this. The student is in an extremely disadvantageous postition, due to the fact that the student had stolen intellectual property, thus making the studen even more likely to be sent to a detention centre/face fines/parole.

Nevertheless if the teacher left the item at home he would face the charges the student would have to face. The medium of these three crimes is described in two words:

PURE STUPIDITY.

Quoted myself for emphasis.

Shyska, you saying that offends many, curb your speech. How would confiscating and not returning be good? Its THEFT. Look I would be a teacher honestly if noone got offended for confiscating stuff but THINK. It will not and never solve problems, no matter if your communist or democratic. I know there is public opinion but honestly, I would expect MANY to revolt, so would I, but in the sense of law; I would go full on with suing the teacher.

spectre440now there's an idea!
a bit medieval-ish, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

tigger69i think in the uk they should bring back public flogging for an option for the courts.teenagers would shit their pants at the thought of that.

You guys are lesser than humans, even to suggest flogging makes you total lowlives of any society. People like that don't deserve to be in this forum-no no forums in the world. See what the UN would say about those comments...

at my school we have a good policy

you bring shit to school, it gets confiscated
you want it back? your parent has to pick it up.

You dont want your parents to know you were on your phone/ipod in class because they will deck you? Looks like you'll be giving up your ipod :roll: :)

tkpenaltySee what the UN would say about those comments...

The UN has to be the largest most powerless piece of shit organisation on the planet lol

ex_revenat my school we have a good policy

you bring shit to school, it gets confiscated
you want it back? your parent has to pick it up.

You dont want your parents to know you were on your phone/ipod in class because they will deck you? Looks like you'll be giving up your ipod :roll: :)



The UN has to be the largest most powerless piece of shit organisation on the planet lol

Fine amnesty international.

tkpenaltyYou guys are lesser than humans, even to suggest flogging makes you total lowlives of any society. People like that don't deserve to be in this forum-no no forums in the world. See what the UN would say about those comments...

nice very nice very nice u tell them :D

hmm maybe a dental plan :)

tkpenaltyFine amnesty international.

if you visit the amnesty international webpage you will find they dont waste their time with things as mild as floggings

dental plan :) maybe if they have one their communication skills between the teacher and students would be more effective,

spraying spit in peoples faces as they say "pisssss off" doesnt help the situation at all

tkpenaltyYou guys are lesser than humans, even to suggest flogging makes you total lowlives of any society. People like that don't deserve to be in this forum-no no forums in the world. See what the UN would say about those comments...

I agree with much that you are saying tk. Especially about the issue of teachers not returning confiscated items. But I entirely disagree with you here. I believe 100% in corporal punishment. Had there been more harsh punishments in effect, the students wouldn't be as likely to commit such a heinous crime. This comes from a parent of 3. BEAT THEM!!!!! Talking and reasoning doesn't work with people of this nature. They are selfish and spoiled.

As far as the UN, it is a self righteous piece of shit. Very little of their legislation does anything but make it easier for terrorists (and the like) to get away with what they do. Terrorists don't follow UN rules, but when a UN nation is dealing with known terrorists, lord forbid if they fight fire with fire. They can't even embarrass pows, without the UN coming down on them. Which, I might add, in no way physically hurts them.

That is because our current system of law is a fucken joke. And until its fixed shit like this crap will always happen. And I believe in beating the shit out of those kids. My parents would give me a slap or two when I got out of line when I was younger, and I think it made me a better man today. Never really got in trouble with the cops, have no criminal record. Don't get me wrong I did stupid and dumb things here and there. Also problem is alot of people just lack common sense. You'd be surprised how rare Common sense actually is these days.

These idiots kids will get 10years and probably early parole. I think russia has something good setup there, instead of the sue happy americans.

If I hear one more post saying how tigger and company are low-lives, they're going to get a very swift smack of my banstick.

the thread is dead now...

its not locked people :roll:

I was just browsing the web when I came across this site - I am a co-worker of Frank Burd - the teacher assaulted over an Ipod. It just amazes me to read some of the comments made by people who really do not have a clue about what happened and why. If you would have taken the time to read an actual news atricle you wouldn't look so stupid when you post.

Yes, it is a school district wide policy that states that electronic devices are not permitted in Phila public schools - however, most of us who work in this urban area know that kids are going to be kids and will bring these things to school -it's what they decide to do with them when they get to school that makes the difference.

This particular student decided to sit in Franks math class with the music turned up to maxium volume - not in his pocket or bag as some of you have suggested - The student was disruping the class -- Frank asked the student several times to turn the music off. The student refused. Frank asked the student for the Ipod and told the student he could have it back at the end of class. The student left the class. At the end of the period Frank entered the hall where he was blind sided by his student and his 9th grade friend - They knocked Frank down and, as he fell, his head hit the side of the lockers. Frank never had the chance to return the Ipod.

Franks neck was broken in two places and still remains in the hospital. Believe it or not his biggest concern was over who was going to teach his kids while he was recovering . . . and that he wasn't going to have ANOTHER YEAR of PERFECT ATTENDANCE!!!

We should all be supporting Frank and not the out of control behavior of some students.