Professional overclocker and extreme cooling products developer der8auer de-lidded a Core i9-10900K 10-core processor to study the processor's behavior with various kinds of custom cooling setups. It was discovered that the 10-core "Comet Lake" die measures 206.1 mm² in die-area. It is 9.2 mm wide like its predecessors, "Coffee Lake" 8-core, 6-core, and 4-core, but is 22.4 mm long, with the outer edges of its packaging material barely within a couple of millimeters of the adhesion point of the integrated heatspreader (IHS). Given what we know about how much each pair of cores adds to these dies, we predict that Intel cannot elongate this die to 12 cores, without having to remove the iGPU. der8auer discovered that using liquid metal TIMs and running the processor de-lidded shaves up to 7 °C off temperatures. Find more technical commentary in the der8auer
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55 Comments on Intel Core i9-10900K der8auer De-Lidding Reveals Accurate Die-Size Measurements
Yep still would of been nice to have a dp/ hdmi port on it at the least
I'm waiting on 30 series nvidia before I buy another gpu so I'm one gpu short now :(
Given that AMD have the performance lead over Intel using just the 3900X, Intel really need a 14-core part to rival the 3950X.
They do 10940x
On this consumer platform, at these consumer prices, in this consumer market segment, the competition is 3950X and 3900X, soon to be the XT variants.
Apples to apples context is important - you can't say that a jet fighter is faster than a car in a car comparison because it's not even in the race, and if you're going to pick a jet fighter to represent Intel then you can't conveniently omit AMD's much bigger better jet fighters.
Yeah people always use that defense can't go hedt verses hedt that's unfair so fall back to price point blah....
Still pretty lame price is same + 4 more cores at 50.00 per.
3950x 750.00 on release
10940x 799.00 on release yeah that's way off :eek:
It's not really about price, the competition and price/performancecurve of each manufacturer's own lineup is what keeps price in check, for the most part. AMD or Intel could make a $1000-2000 CPU for their consumer platforms, it would just be pointless with the dual-channel RAM limitation and their relatively low PCIe lane counts designed for a graphics card and maybe a couple of extras.
On the variants with IGPs enabled, it's about 10W for an active GT2 variant (so running a 3D workload or clocking up the fixed-function logic like HEDT decode or QuickSync) and more like 2-3W at idle minimum clocks.
Few articles compare K-series vs KF series but when I've stumbled across them the margins are pretty small and likely down to variation in different silicon samples given that in almost all CPU benchmarking the IGPs would be idle. I'm pulling my numbers from laptop reviews which go into GT2 and GT3 IGP usage in far more detail. Whilst it's true that the desktop IGPs clock higher and have more TDP headroom, their idle states are going to be largely the same, since the minimum operational voltage is going to be similar for each equivalent design, regardless of clock yields and binning.
Yeah one of the worst things about amd users is the floating argument to keep shifting comparison points
Now it's pci-e lanes :roll:
The 10-core 10900K consumes up to 250W, so those 165 watts are on the lower side. That's a problem for gaming and nothing else, really.
Yeah, 9960X at 4.5 GHz consumes about 300-350W in the worse use cases. And that clock is low for what we want to see on the desktop.
6-core SKU out of a 10-core dies consumes as much as the fully enabled 10-core SKU of the same 10-core die.
It has been repeated multiple times that existent transistors on a die always consume energy, and there is no such thing as power gating.
10600K and 10900K are both rated 125-watt TDP..
www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10600k/18.html
www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900k/18.html
www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/static-power
4 vs 2, 48 vs 16.
Disable two memory controllers, disable some of PCIe lanes and slap that die onto a LGA1200 package. Done. It even fits fine physically - HCC, the 18-core die, is 21.6 x 22.4 mm. For comparison from the story here 10900K is 9.2 x 22.4 mm.