Devastator0Hmmm, so 499 Euro to AU, straight conversion is about $817 AUD. Add onto that the typical Australia tax and we'll be paying near 1K, as I expected.

Yea but what's your minimum and average income? Let's be real and don't act like you guys don't make a lot more money in the low end as well as on average. It's only cause your country uses the same name for their currency that it sounds so "bad". Imagine if Japan used "dollars" for their name too then it would cost 64,000 "dollars" and that sounds insane.

I know based on some currency conversions and tax and fees and such you guys may end up spending SLIGHTLY more than an American who does the exact same work and lives in around the same economic standards but it ain't like you're paying 2x what they are.

blazedSomething tells me both Sony and Microsoft have been waiting on the hair trigger, to determine how the other will price their console accordingly. That being said, how will Microsoft respond to this?

Respond to what? Some nut jobs theories on Twitter while chasing clout? This guy has been predicting A LOT of stuff recently and has been basically predicting everything he can throwing it against the wall and seeing what sticks. He predicted so much for the Sony reveal then got most of it wrong (and then tried to turn it around and spin it like he was being coy).

He's just some loser with too much time on his hands and not that he won't end up about right (he does use a bit of that thick head of his to actually work out what makes the most sense) but he's never provided inside information just some mediocre speculation.

Devastator0Hmmm, so 499 Euro to AU, straight conversion is about $817 AUD. Add onto that the typical Australia tax and we'll be paying near 1K, as I expected.

It doesn't work that way.
They don't use currency conversions to work out a price, they just set a figure that sounds good to them.
Hence 500 Euro and 500 U.S. dollars for the same item, despite converting Euro to Dollars not working out to be equal.

I've been into custom gaming PC since ...well forever.But I got xbox one x for $159 and year of Game pass ultimate for $60 a year. Can't beat that.
Plus use the Game Pass on the PC to play No Man's Sky.
MS offers great value, I hope people stay ignorant and be pro Sony so MS can offer this great deals.

bugTesla didn't get pissed at anyone. They hired Jim Keller to make them a custom chip. It was all out in the open.
Some friends that had contact with the domain tell the self-driving chips are usually a problem because they suck hundreds of watts to operate. That just won't fly on an electric car. It's more likely Nvidia couldn't/wouldn't hit power draw requirements that drew Tesla to come up with a custom solution.

Its not just power, power actually increased for Tesla's custom chip, but not by a whole lot. Raw performance of Tesla's custom chip is significantly faster. Tesla's chip can push 2000 ish frames with full redundancy. Nvidia's SoC was only capable of something in the range of 200 frames.

www.digitaltrends.com/computing/tesla-dumps-nvidia-for-custom-self-driving-procesor/

$559.82 + $60 (tax) = $619.82? Assuming a straight conversion from the Euro.

I'll pass.....

RedelZaVednoJust €399? Awesome pricing. It's basically Ryzen 7 3700x (€290) + RX 5700XT (€380) + 1TB NVMe SSD (€150) + 16GB GDDR6 RAM (around €100) = 920€
Add MB/PSU/Case/ and you're in €1.2K price territory.
My God, we PC gamers are getting so screwed :(

It was reported that it's a Renoir APU (laptop part) under the hood. Nowhere near as beefy as a 3700X+5700XT

Caring1It doesn't work that way.
They don't use currency conversions to work out a price, they just set a figure that sounds good to them.
Hence 500 Euro and 500 U.S. dollars for the same item, despite converting Euro to Dollars not working out to be equal.

Yeah, I know it doesn't work exactly like that, but I honestly believe we in AU will be paying either 1K or above 1K.

I wonder how many vendors will stock the discless version since they can't sell games, or are games going to be available on USB keys or something?

Xex360100€/$ is huge, I find hard to believe.

They are just low key trying to kill the second hand game market. MS wanted to do that last gen, but were met with a huge outcry, now Sony does the same thing by overpricing the version with disc support and everyone loves it.

assassins creed valhalla at 30 fps 4k with ps5... or do i get valhalla for free (it comes bundled for free apparently with the new cpus) with my 3600 XT i plan to buy july 7th... and play it at 144 fps 1440p at medium settings... decisions decisions... but really no decision at all.

that smooth smooth motion baby ;)

Easy RhinoI already have a really nice 4k blu ray player. However I would be interested in the optical version of ps5 if the 4k blu ray player is well rated. I assume it will be. Also, buying physical media is very important. As you all know many groups of people have been trying to remove online content.

Too bad Sony has been enforcing firmware updates alongside certain game releases since the PS3. I really don't see the point in physical media. Content on disc is sometimes not even playable without a mandatory update to fix day one rush jobs. And when you buy one cent worth of post-release content, or download some of it for free.... similar situation.

If you really want offline play, a console is not even remotely the place to be since PS4, and physical media has no place in the discussion to begin with. If you truly want ownership, you store fully updated and feature complete content locally and play on a machine that is not a walled garden. The PC.

RedelZaVednoWe as PC gamers. Does it matter who gets the money from game sales to us?
PC gamer has to pay full production costs + profit margins on PC parts then he has to pay game publisher + distributer (Valve/Epic etc.) to buy games from them unless he pirates them.
I'm OK with paying a bit extra for freedom PC is giving me, but as things stand right now PC's GPU equivalent to XBox X' GPU (aka 2080S) costs $200-300 more than complete XBox X package.
That's plain crazy. AMD/Intel/Ngreedia are pushing profit margins on DIY PC builds so high that DIY PC gaming builds might become a luxury only rich can afford.
I can definitely see the future where most of PC gamers migrate to streaming solutions and consoles because of pricing.

You can still play at 1080p/ultra with a card that costs less than 250 bucks. And that is pushing 60-120 fps, not 30.
You can have RT on the PC for a full year now at the price point of 300-350, too.

Yes, if you buy into a high end 4K target, its expensive. But who said that was the norm? Don't let all the smoke and mirrors misguide you. Gaming was never cheaper; the GPU stack now serves a much broader range of price points and configs. Only a few generations back even simple things like card VRAM capped at 1/4th of what they are now in midrange (!) (2 > 8 GB went pretty fast). The mid range is overcrowded and the price is pretty healthy over there. That bar will be moved up with upcoming GPU releases, its just business as usual, perhaps with a little bit of Corona inflation.

You have to keep in mind that a native PC 1080p image is also still a higher fidelity image than the console trickery that tries to fake it. The same thing will happen (and be further explored with render techniques) on the new consoles with higher resolution content.

Its really not all that crazy, we just want too much.

ShihabyoooUsed games market's given the notice, then? Funny, it wasn't that long since Sony was flaunting this as a selling point...

Teehee, we all know this was never a selling point for Sony. They've been wanting to destroy that market since the PS3 introduced downloading.

CammI wonder how many vendors will stock the discless version since they can't sell games, or are games going to be available on USB keys or something?

Physical game stores are dropping dead left and right.

bugI know, I was just messing with you.

In this day and age where people dislike Chrome for sharing data with Google, you can bet your ass I need it. With an ad blocker and NoScript on top.

+100

Vayra86Physical game stores are dropping dead left and right.

All of the stores that stock consoles all stock games (even if the EB's and Gamestop's of the world are dying).

CammAll of the stores that stock consoles all stock games (even if the EB's and Gamestop's of the world are dying).

Of course, but that is just grasping at straws at this point. At least around my neck of the woods...

CammAll of the stores that stock consoles all stock games (even if the EB's and Gamestop's of the world are dying).

if you live in the USA, Gamefly is a great service, 15 bucks a month and you get unlimited game rentals mailed to your door (limit like 1-2 at a time), and as soon as the tracking shows you mailed back a game it sends you the next one in your que for whatever console.

if i were buying a console i would not buy any games, i would just do gamefly for everything. most people don't have time to play more than 1-2 games at a time anyway. /shrug