Wednesday, October 28th 2020

AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

After thoroughly appetizing us with its "Where Gaming Begins: Episode 1" event announcing the Ryzen 5000 series "Zen 3" processors that offer up to 19% IPC gains, in the second Episode, we see the company announcing its next-generation Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" graphics cards based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture that introduce full DirectX 12 Ultimate readiness, including real-time raytracing hardware. In the run up to the RX 6000, NVIDIA is already reportedly preparing product-stack updates. In this liveblog, we uncover what has NVIDIA riled up, and whether AMD can pull off better pricing and availbility than the RTX 30-series.

Update 15:59 UTC: It is time! Welcome to the Radeon RX 6000 Series live blog.
Update 16:01 UTC: AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centerstage, fresh off a good quarterly results announcement, and that big Xilinx acquisition announcement.
Update 16:03 UTC: FarCry 6 seems like an AMD optimized title.

Update 16:03 UTC: Possibly the flagship product.
Update 16:04 UTC: AMD is where gaming begins because next-gen consoles trust it. - Dr Su

Update 16:05 UTC: 50% generational improvement in perf/W.
Update 16:06 UTC: 26.7 billion transistors, almost as big as GA102
Update 16:07 UTC: RDNA2 has a breakthrough high-speed design.
Update 16:08 UTC: AMD RDNA2 compute unit 30% more energy efficient.
Update 16:09 UTC: InfinityCache works to significantly improve memory bandwidth, based on the Zen L3 cache. More than 2.17x bandwidth gain despite 256-bit.
Update 16:10 UTC: 30% higher frequencies on the same 7 nm node.
Update 16:10 UTC: DirectX 12 Ultimate and DirectStorage support.
Update 16:11 UTC: Over 2X performance gain over RX 5700 XT.
Update 16:11 UTC: The RX 6800 XT!
Update 16:12 UTC: 4K Gaming from AMD is here! Matches RTX 3080!!!
Update 16:13 UTC: Hello competition!
Update 16:14 UTC: Welcome back ATI Rage, as the AMD Rage Mode.
Update 16:15 UTC: When paired with Ryzen, you get a gaming performance boost, 13% perf increase.

Update 16:15 UTC: AMD introduces its take on the NVIDIA Reflex, announcing latest Radeon Lag and Radeon Boost. No special API needed.
Update 16:16 UTC: Full DX12 Ultimate support, including ray-tracing. Woirking on a DLSS-rival.
Update 16:18 UTC: AMD is leveraging studios working on Xbox Series X / PS5 devs to integrate its Radeon features on the PC.

Update 16:18 UTC: FarCry 6, DiRT 5, WoW Shadowlands (which gets raytracing), RiftBreaker, are AMD-optimized.

Update 16:21 UTC: Available Nov 18, starts, $649

Update 16:21 UTC: Also announcing RX 6800 : faster than RTX 2080 Ti, 4K + raytracing ready
Update 16:22 UTC: $579, November 18 availability for the RX 6800.

Update 16:22 UTC: Lisa gets ready for a "one more thing"

Update 16:23 UTC: Radeon RX 6900 XT: 80 CUs, 65% perf/Watt over 5700 XT.
Update 16:25 UTC: RTX 3090 BEATEN!!!!
Update 16:26 UTC: December 8 for the RX 6900 XT, priced $999.
Update 16:26 UTC: OOF, we cannot wait to test these cards out!

Update 17:08 UTC: The press-release can be found here.

Update 17:19 UTC: The complete AMD slide deck follows.
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351 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

#327
windwhirl
FairNando
After 13 pages of debate, hype, etc., I think I had quite the entertainment lol
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#328
Super XP
MxPhenom 216To be fair, we don't really know his position on Nvidia pricing...

..So your comment looks dumb.
Not really, I am speaking about past and present facts. Nvidia is well known to sell its GPUs for a premium cost despite the fact they don't deserve such premium. A great example is the RTX 2000 series, highly overpriced. Look at it objectively and you should also agree, as most Nvidia fanboys also complained by the high cost for little to no benefits for justifying that cost.
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#329
Vayra86
lynx29next gen consoles are focusing on ray tracing, nvidia is actually going to be left in the dust since they use proprietary ray tracing, most game developers will be focusing on AMD dx12 RT because consoles are the money makers, and we will get those ports. so nvidia has RT crown now, but in future they wont.
Same API....

whats proprietary is how Nvidia handles the processing within its own hardware, no different from AMD really.

An API like DX12 is an abstraction layer. It translates. Nothing more, and green and red are both looking at the same translation service.

The custom hardware in consoles is.... custom so not quite the same as a Navi discrete GPU. Shared memory, fixed storage speeds... On top of that... history has certainly not provided proof of any sort of better optimization for AMD GPUs.
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#330
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
Super XPNot really, I am speaking about past and present facts. Nvidia is well known to sell its GPUs for a premium cost despite the fact they don't deserve such premium. A great example is the RTX 2000 series, highly overpriced. Look at it objectively and you should also agree, as most Nvidia fanboys also complained by the high cost for little to no benefits for justifying that cost.
Well maybe if AMD had anything to compete against Nvidia's RTX 2000 series it may have drove costs down. This time they do.

Nvidia has been in the market by themselves for quite a while.
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#331
Super XP
MxPhenom 216Well maybe if AMD had anything to compete against Nvidia's RTX 2000 series it may have drove costs down. This time they do.

Nvidia has been in the market by themselves for quite a while.
The 1080 and 1080ti were somewhat fairly priced. Even Nvidia's previous Gen. The RTX 2080, 2080ti and 2070 were selling at ripoff prices. And Nvidia Fanboys agree.

Anyhow I agree AMD left the high end open to Nvidia, because there priority was to get ZEN out successfully. Now they have RDNA2 that competes well.
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#332
Fluffmeister
FairNando
Oh for sure, Nvidia cards are rarer then hens teeth, but AMDs cards still don't hit the market until the 18th of November.... what a joke.
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#333
moproblems99
FluffmeisterOh for sure, Nvidia cards are rarer then hens teeth, but AMDs cards still don't hit the market until the 18th of November.... what a joke.
Well, barely any better than the 12 combined 3090s, 3080s, 3070s that have been released.
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#334
Fluffmeister
moproblems99Well, barely any better than the 12 combined 3090s, 3080s, 3070s that have been released.
Well if AMD are sitting on thousands of 6000 series cards in a warehouse somewhere, I'd suggest now is a good time to take advantage of Nvidia's supply woes, just a thought.
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#335
Zach_01
FluffmeisterOh for sure, Nvidia cards are rarer then hens teeth, but AMDs cards still don't hit the market until the 18th of November.... what a joke.
Yes but it was funnier than nVidias? At least AMD is trying to be honest and release the cards when they can, and not do a Jensen “release” that took place only to undercut and underhype RDNA2.

They probably do have more cards than nvidia. Also nVidia had in their plan to ship at least a couple of 100K cards by November but rumors say that they cut that in half because they need to restructure their line and segmentation.
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#336
Fluffmeister
I think if they had decent stock they should take advantage that is all.

Forgive me, I appreciate AMD can do no wrong.
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#337
Zach_01
They do have the advantage even if they release the 18th of next month. nVidia will supply also but AMD will have more.
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#338
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
FluffmeisterWell if AMD are sitting on thousands of 6000 series cards in a warehouse somewhere, I'd suggest now is a good time to take advantage of Nvidia's supply woes, just a thought.
Or Nvidia has purposefully made the supply low for their new cards...

I have a feeling Nvidia cards will suddenly be in abundance when AMD cards hit the market.
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#339
Fluffmeister
MxPhenom 216Or Nvidia has purposefully made the supply low for their new cards...
Hey it's possible, it must be nice to sell every single card without issue.

People hated these overpriced cards, now even AMD fans are happy to open their wallets.
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#340
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
FluffmeisterHey it's possible, it must be nice to sell every single card without issue.

People hated these overpriced cards, now even AMD fans are happy to open their wallets.
Its a tactic. Theres rumors that Nvidia will have thousands of cards ready to go towards the end of November.

What elses comes out towards the end of November???

Hell the Microcenter here in Denver had around 100 3070 FE cards and over 10 MSI Ventus 3s. And several other Evga yesterday. Still had some into the afternoon. If you wanted a 3070, it was pretty easy to get one from the sounds of it. Trying to get one online wasn't the way.

Yes, Microcenter is also selling FEs now.
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#341
medi01
Totallyfrom the tpu article a couple weeks back
I wouldn't call rumors articles, more like cheap-clickbait.
AMD has issued a statement right after, calling it all BS.
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#342
Space Lynx
Astronaut
these extra benches on AMD's website are mighty impressive. Does anyone know if smart access memory will auto be turned on if I have x570 mobo, zen 3 cpu and big navi gpu? or will it have to be turned on in AMD drivers?
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#343
Super XP
lynx29these extra benches on AMD's website are mighty impressive. Does anyone know if smart access memory will auto be turned on if I have x570 mobo, zen 3 cpu and big navi gpu? or will it have to be turned on in AMD drivers?
I would have to assume everything would end up being automatically enabled but that Drivers will have to probably play a role in identifying what combo you are using like a Radeon & a Ryzen CPU.
But if you are looking for more refined details on how this works, I think AMD is keeping that quiet, keep the competition from learning how this works perhaps? I remember AMD filed several Patents back in 2017 or 2018 about Infinity Cache and some other memory utilization thingies? :D
I am also sure both new PS5's and Xbox Series X will also be utilizing SAM for sure.
AMD Smart Access Memory
(Ryzen + Radeon Combo), the data channel gets expanded to harness the full potential of GPU memory – removing the bottleneck to increase performance. Obviously, in AMD optimized games, you’ll experience this feature to be best implemented, still great bonus for gamers truly.
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#344
EarthDog
lynx29these extra benches on AMD's website are mighty impressive. Does anyone know if smart access memory will auto be turned on if I have x570 mobo, zen 3 cpu and big navi gpu? or will it have to be turned on in AMD drivers?
Last I heard, it needs to be enabled in the bios.
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#345
Space Lynx
Astronaut
EarthDogLast I heard, it needs to be enabled in the bios.
i always browse the BIOS when it gets updated, so I will give this a look, cheers. hopefully enabling it doesn't mess up ram overclocking.
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#346
medi01
moproblems99Well, barely any better than the 12 combined 3090s, 3080s, 3070s that have been released.
About 20% faster (that is what 6800 is to 3070) is spelled "barely better" these days.
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#348
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
moproblems99Well, barely any better than the 12 combined 3090s, 3080s, 3070s that have been released.
My local Microcenter alone had around 100 RTX3070 FE at launch and they went out of stock in the afternoon of launch day. If you wanted a 3070 it was pretty easy to get one, but trying to online was way harder especially with Newegg since they have zero bot protection.
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#349
moproblems99
MxPhenom 216My local Microcenter alone had around 100 RTX3070 FE at launch and they went out of stock in the afternoon of launch day. If you wanted a 3070 it was pretty easy to get one, but trying to online was way harder especially with Newegg since they have zero bot protection.
For those that have a microcenter in their state...I had Best Buy.
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#350
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
moproblems99For those that have a microcenter in their state...I had Best Buy.
Best Buy was a much safer bet to get one than Newegg.

I almost got an FE card on Best Buy, but was too slow to hit check out lul. Didnt even notice i got one in the cart until like 5 minutes later and they were gone. Best Buy was releasing them in waves.
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