Nordic version plz. No audio jack is a bit sad IMO.

Interesting...I was just thinking of making a modern version of a trs80 model one using an 8 bit microcontroller (with additional I/O ports for home automation or whatever).
But this would be cheaper and need a lot less software written to get that old fashioned feel I sometimes miss;).

FrickNordic version plz. No audio jack is a bit sad IMO.

Going by the quality of the previous versions I'd say you are not missing anything.

Full HDMI and black/grey color scheme would be better for me

Such a waste of space.

They dropped the ball without having an optional internal 2.5inch drive bay.

Just put a real GPU in the SoC that can do compute and stop screwing around.

Lord_SothFull HDMI and black/grey color scheme would be better for me

Yeah micro-HDMI on something that's gonna be plugged and unplugged often... bad idea. Other missed opportunities: no audio jack (I'm pretty sure there is one on RPi 4), wonky storage (SD cards get corrupted on RPi from time to time which is a pain in the ass) and not using their very own Compute module form factor for upgrade path...

ImoutoGoing by the quality of the previous versions I'd say you are not missing anything.

Considering I use the audio jack on my Rpi 3B I'd say I will miss it. I don't have anything with HDMI audio.

FrickNordic version plz. No audio jack is a bit sad IMO.

It's a nice thing, but agree, can't understand why it doesn't have one tbh.

Ferrum MasterSuch a waste of space.

They dropped the ball without having an optional internal 2.5inch drive bay.

Dropped the ball? You know there is no native SATA controller on the MCU, right? If you do that you immediately lose one USB3.0 port.

Haile SelassieDropped the ball? You know there is no native SATA controller on the MCU, right? If you do that you immediately lose one USB3.0 port.

If you get the idea, I know electronics very well.

Putting an internal usb port and leave space costs nothing. The SATA USB adapters take no space at all.

FrickConsidering I use the audio jack on my Rpi 3B I'd say I will miss it. I don't have anything with HDMI audio.

Never had a raspberry but... can I plug my USB sound interface? or any USB sound devices that are around? I know it's supposed to feature an audio jack... but if I can plug my sound interface I'm ok with it.

If it gets popular I can see monitorless laptop in the future

ThefumigatorNever had a raspberry but... can I plug my USB sound interface? or any USB sound devices that are around? I know it's supposed to feature an audio jack... but if I can plug my sound interface I'm ok with it.

Depends on the OS, but yes.

Haile SelassieDropped the ball? You know there is no native SATA controller on the MCU, right? If you do that you immediately lose one USB3.0 port.

They don't need to use USB at all. On Ada's official channel I left a suggestion of adding a touchpad on next revisions, and you can simply throw in a runn-of-the-mill KBC or PS/2 controller (or implement your own on cheap Cortex M0), and run a keyboard and touchpad through PS/2 over a single USB that's already used for keyboard (there are even many community-made kernel modules for native support).

You can do even better workaround for USB3.0. Instead of using a cheap dual-port VLI controller they could've thrown an extra $1-$2 for µPD720201, which is a quad-port USB3.0 host controller, and in the spirit of AsRock electronic design methodology, just daisy-chain the shit out of it with things like SATA-III controllers etc.
Plus, everyone is already using USB3 on Pi just for storage, so losing one USB3 in favor of SATA is a reasonable tradeoff.

t's still a step in the right direction, but there's room for improvement. As far as it's not more expensive than various Rockchip alternatives, there's always a headroom in BOM for more features.

ThefumigatorNever had a raspberry but... can I plug my USB sound interface?

Of course you can. Linux has a decent support for Class 2 USB Audio. In some cases it may require manual config tweaking, but most common DACs should work out of the box.

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or if you prefer a PC example from the 90s

Very nice. Based on historical trends they will release a higher RAM version ala Pi 4.

silentbogo[...] and in the spirit of AsRock electronic design methodology, just daisy-chain the shit out of it with things like SATA-III controllers etc [...]

I don't know, the USB bus is pretty terrible for pretty much anything but peripherals. At least in RPi 4 the Ethernet is no longer on USB 2.0...

The proper way to do that would be to get a SoC which natively supports SATA/USB 3.0/Ethernet/PCIe.

But I guess that would increase the price by $20 so better have colorful packaging and generate e-waste instead.

FrickConsidering I use the audio jack on my Rpi 3B I'd say I will miss it. I don't have anything with HDMI audio.

All the ones I had were terrible with zero shielding and constant noise.

thevoiceofreasonThe proper way to do that would be to get a SoC which natively supports SATA/USB 3.0/Ethernet/PCIe.
But I guess that would increase the price by $20 so better have colorful packaging and generate e-waste instead.

That would be a bit more than $20. The only ones that fit the bill are Jettson dev kit (not Nano), various Intel Bay Trail/Cherry trail boards, and very expensive Snapdragon dev kits, or RK3399 dev kits that also go over $100.
And regarding SATA over USB, it's a vague argument. USB3 to SATA controllers aren't any less reliable than PCIe to SATA3 or any other IC, which you can find all over x86_64 desktop and embedded boards.
RaspberryPi Foundation definitely has some exclusive deal with Broadcom, which means we won't see any alternative chipsets any time soon. Plus, the OS/software development is already ironed out for BCM, and mass-market won't trade stable OS releases and good support for a beefier SoC, just to end up with some abandonware like NanoPi, OrangePi and CubieBoard and others. Same reason why Hardkernel barely budged off Exynos to Amlogic.