Tuesday, November 17th 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Confirmed, Beats RTX 2080 SUPER
It looks like NVIDIA will launch its 4th GeForce RTX 30-series product ahead of Holiday 2020, the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti, with VideoCardz unearthing a leaked NVIDIA performance guidance slide, as well as pictures of custom-design RTX 3060 Ti cards surfacing on social media. The RTX 3060 Ti is reportedly based on the same 8 nm "GA104" silicon as the RTX 3070, but cut down further. It features 38 out of 48 streaming multiprocessors physically present on the "GA104," amounting to 4,864 "Ampere" CUDA cores, 152 tensor cores, and 38 "Ampere" RT cores. The memory configuration is unchanged from the RTX 3070, which means you get 8 GB of 14 Gbps GDDR6 memory across a 256-bit wide memory interface, with 448 GB/s of memory bandwidth.
According to a leaked NVIDIA performance guidance slide for the RTX 3060 Ti, the company claims the card to consistently beat the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER, a $700 high-end SKU from the previous "Turing" generation. The same slide also shows a roughly 40% performance gain over the previous generation RTX 2060 SUPER, which is probably the logical predecessor for this card. In related news, PC Master Race (OfficialPCMR) on its Facebook page posted pictures of boxes of an ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti OC graphics cards, which confirms the existence of this SKU. The picture of the card on the box reveals a design similar to other TUF Gaming RTX 30-series cards launched by ASUS so far. As for price, VideoCardz predicts a $399 MSRP for the SKU, which should nearly double the price-performance for this card over the RTX 2080 SUPER at NVIDIA's performance numbers.
Sources:
VideoCardz, OfficialPCMR (Facebook)
According to a leaked NVIDIA performance guidance slide for the RTX 3060 Ti, the company claims the card to consistently beat the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER, a $700 high-end SKU from the previous "Turing" generation. The same slide also shows a roughly 40% performance gain over the previous generation RTX 2060 SUPER, which is probably the logical predecessor for this card. In related news, PC Master Race (OfficialPCMR) on its Facebook page posted pictures of boxes of an ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti OC graphics cards, which confirms the existence of this SKU. The picture of the card on the box reveals a design similar to other TUF Gaming RTX 30-series cards launched by ASUS so far. As for price, VideoCardz predicts a $399 MSRP for the SKU, which should nearly double the price-performance for this card over the RTX 2080 SUPER at NVIDIA's performance numbers.
87 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Confirmed, Beats RTX 2080 SUPER
Xbox One had a production cost of $471 for manufacturing and materials and a launch price of $499. PS4 cost $381 to make and launched at $399. Add in shipping (not as much as you think) and marketing cost (you can argue marketing also covers games) and they pretty much equal out. You hear a lot of console fan boys stating how they are getting $600 worth of hardware in a $400 consoles and that's hyperbole. If it was true, you would have people buying the consoles in droves, tearing out the hardware and selling it peace by peace on ebay.
I'm not hating on the 3070 - it's more efficient and far cheaper than the 2080Ti whilst being pretty damn close in performance.
I'm hating on Nvidia's massaging of the truth and broken promises. When the competition is extremely close as it is this generation, saying it's ~10% faster than it really is is pretty disingenious.
3080 has a clear "up to" next to it. 3070 does indeed say "faster than 2070Ti", but you can notice it's actually on the same horizontal line. That translates to "a hair faster, under our own testing conditions".
Actual reviews paint the 3070 literally identical to 2080Ti: www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/39.html
You're gonna have a sad life if you keep taking marketing material at face value.
Here is the first google result, literally highlighting Jensen's claim:
blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2020/09/01/nvidia-ceo-geforce-rtx-30-series-gpus/#:~:text=NVIDIA%20CEO%20Jensen%20Huang%20introducing,with%20eye%20candy%20turned%20up
If an auto maker claimed that they'd made the first sub-$50K 200mph sports car that actually cost $53K and only reached 195mph people would be calling them out.
There are a ton of reviews out there in different formats and the results range from almost 10% slower to a dead tie. The median result seems to be about 5% slower than a 2080Ti with some games in a dead-tie or claiming small wins at 1080p. For examples like that see GamersNexus, THG, DigitalFoundry, Guru3D etc. TPU's results aren't invalid, but that's a small cross section of games tested on just one platform, which is why you should never get your data from just one review.
I'm also not sure what's supposed to be highlighted in there, I see no highlights. No performance claim, besides the "faster than 2080Ti", either.
And if you're so adamant about numbers, AMD also claimed 2x better performance over the 5700XT in BFV@4k and it didn't quite manage it: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/9.html
Do you have anything to say about that?
That is the claim I was talking about and I was only talking about it as you specifically asked me in the first place. That claim is a sweeping blanket statement, no caveats, no asterisks. The CEO of Nvidia said it would be faster, and in a majority of reviews I've seen it simply isn't.Well that's not particularly relevant to an Nvidia article is it, but since we're already getting off topic - sure, I'll bite. Google's not helpful in finding the claim you're talking about, so I'm going to have to guess that you mean this slide from the keynote:
I've highlighted three issues with your point:
- "~" in front of a value means "approximately", not "exactly" (or, to quote Jensen, "faster than").
- "Up to" is not the same as "average FPS" that you're comparing to in the 6800XT review you're linking.
- This slide is for RDNA2, not specifically the 6800XT. Since the 5700XT is full silicon, the equivalent full RDNA2 silicon would be the 80CU 6900XT and not the 6800XT you're linking.
If you're goading me into taking fanboy sides in the AMD/Nvidia battle, I won't:- Nvidia play dirty with their exaggerated claims and the way they bombard the press and vloggers with information to get more articles per week for the hype train.
- AMD have failed to impress by offering less than Nvidia for approximate price parity. Sure, they have comparable raster performance, but that's ALL they have.
I feel that the general raster performance of the 6800 matches Ampere in terms of performance/$ but RDNA2 is lacking in a whole bunch of other features like lower raytracing performance, no DLSS, an inferior encoder to NVENC, no tensor-core powered features like RTX Voice or the streamer tools included with the NV Broadcast suite. IMO AMD need to reduce prices by 10% until they can at least match the primary hardware stuff like DXR, DLSS and NVENC. Additional features are nice but less of a deal-breaker.Of course, not all price hikes mirror inflation exactly, but humans have a special skill mentally blocking out inflation when looking at a price increase.
Technological improvements cost money, that cost is passed on to the consumer.
But yes, they're not a constant. Hell, with lockdowns and isolation in place not even the price of manufacturing and transport remain constant.
F prices.
You don’t just buy hardware to go up in resolution. In fact, going higher means you become even more bound to upgrade at a faster rate. Hardware lasts even less time being relevant at 1440 than at 1080, so more frequent purchasing is in order.
I mostly play single player AAA games and each upgrade helped with the (smoothness/fps/ability to use Ultra settings) of the newer games (Control, AC Odyssey, Metro Exodus, etc.).
Where are the new Elder scrolls, Fallout, GTA, Medieval2: Total war, Neverwinter Nights 2 (yes i know Baldurs Gate 2 is in Early access - a.k.a. you pay to be their tester) ... ?
P.S. I am open to suggestions for new games which are like the above ones.
Most of the great gameplay or great stories (and many times both) are found in these smaller games. Frequently they cone from indies. There is so much out there worth playing you could bever even play through a third if it.