moproblems99Rhetorical. They should have just rebranded these as 3040s or something.

I'm surprised that they didn't do that. It would have been a common practice, no?

RedelZaVednoBut why would Intel cannibalize it's 14nm production capacities with GPUs when it can sell every tinny CPU it produces to enterprise costumers (especially data centers and laptops) atm for way higher profit margins than they can get when producing large discrete GPU dies? There is zero financial incentives for them to do that. That's why they're outsourcing Xe production to 3rd parties in the first place (+ not being to able develop usable 10nm/7nm fabs themselves atm).

Intel is actually selling more to consumer sector right now, the client compute for enterprise platforms (like Dell Latitudes) declined while consumer purchases went up. WFH is basically killing the desktop market, last I saw laptops in 2019 were around 2/3 of the market, and in 2020 are expected to be over 75% of the market. That is a big move for a single year. I don't know that they are even at 100% capacity utilized though.

The lament here is, in the CPU market we have options and good prices still, but not the GPU market. The CPU market condition is entirely because of Intels ability to make a bajillion chips every month, which is a result of them tripling production capacity in the last 3-4 years. As it is now a typical consumer can get a very capable CPU for $200 and a decent one for under $150, which is entirely because of Intel's production. Without them, or if they hadn't doubled / tripled production capacity in the last 3 years, we'd all be looking at $1000 entry level CPUs.

Given they own upwards of 80% of the market, and client compute was ~300M PCs in 2020, Intel is making ~240M desktop/laptop CPUs per year. 1% of that going to GPUs would probably fix the entire pricing / scalping issue for GPUs in one fell swoop.

LomskijI'm surprised that they didn't do that. It would have been a common practice, no?

Common practice would be rebrand into 3060 Turing

Nvidia may not be as dumb as you guys are saying. If they reissue last gen cards, which are still plenty powerful, and people buy them because they are cheaper and ignore the outrageously priced newest hardware, then scalpers have to lower their prices to move hardware that they have real dollars invested in. I see it as a win for gamers as there will be more stock for us and not everyone can afford the latest and greatest. You guys have to give this situation time to work itself out. I hope AMD reissues their RDNA cards and the RX 580 cards for those who need/want an upgrade but cannot afford $350-$500 USED 1660 supers and 5600XT cards.

what?:kookoo::wtf:

It would actually make a lot of sense to re-introduce these as a 2660 and 2660 Super. i.e. replacements for the 1660 line. Those were also on the TSMC 12nm node, so not competing with Samsung 8nm nor the TSMC 7nm node for capacity.

They could probably also refit these on Samsung 14nm which is actually a bit denser than TSMC 12nm, reportedly it (Sammy 14nm) is one of the best '14nm' nodes in existence. That node is also used by GloFlo, so Nvidia would have options to get ahold of more capacity not only via Samsung but also through GloFlo.

Vayra86Bwahahahahahaaaaaa

Nvidia, you really made some great strategic moves lately. Keep at it! Gotta love that cost of RT, no?

Oh man... this is glorious. I'm not even joking. This is how arrogance gets punished. Karma & self-cleansing market. I love it.

Its like all the good things happen at once... best wednesday in years.

/RTX on
:p

P4-630It isn't April 1st fools day yet...

/RTX off

This is actually hilarious and pitiful. They should be ashamed of themselves for selling a last generation product for that much.

agentnathan009Nvidia may not be as dumb as you guys are saying. If they reissue last gen cards, which are still plenty powerful, and people buy them because they are cheaper and ignore the outrageously priced newest hardware, then scalpers have to lower their prices to move hardware that they have real dollars invested in. I see it as a win for gamers as there will be more stock for us and not everyone can afford the latest and greatest. You guys have to give this situation time to work itself out. I hope AMD reissues their RDNA cards and the RX 580 cards for those who need/want an upgrade but cannot afford $350-$500 USED 1660 supers and 5600XT cards.

There has actually been an uptick in supplies for the RX 570 8 GB and some Rx 580 8 GB. It would also seem that As Rock have never stopped selling RX 570s.

I just briefly read an article that said its not so much the cores that are the problem, but components from suppliers are being rationed. I guess that would make sense. How many millions of people out there that like to play game on computers? How many cores can they make in a day?

Steam has some millions. I'm not very good with math but this might take awhile.

Well I guess money is beating Ray tracing.
"To all my Pascal game friend, it safe to upgrade stay now".

P4-630It isn't April 1st fools day yet...

No you misunderstand. In 2021 every day is a fools day. Its a trend we started in 2020.

RaendorI completely abandoned idea of upgrading my 1080 and the rest of pc until prices get in a ballpark of normal. Instead I’m simply enjoying backlog on current hardware as it runs fine and checking some new stuff on Series X with game pass. It’s not worth paying €600 for 3060ti with mere 8gb, when a €500 console is a complete system with graphics around 3070 level.

+1 and I honestly cant say i feel like Im missing much at all. Everything I want to run, runs.. even at 3440x1440 and decent quality. Okay, high refresh is out of the picture, but that was within expectations...

The bringing back itself makes perfect sense because that's the biggest problem for new builders, not only that there are no new cards in stock but also last generation ones are completely gone, so even 4 year old used Pascal ones are price hiked now and sell for the same they did in 2017, despite being over 4 years old with no warranty. Adding Turing stock back to the mix could solve a lot of problems, but the price needs to be right. Problem is that in the world of no stock ans scalping it does not have to, everything will sell anyway. For example there are people bidding to get used 2070 Supers at 3070 FE MSRP level of price basically everyday, this is how far it went already, so I imagine that $300 2060s would sell like cupcakes too, especially brand new.

freeagentI just briefly read an article that said its not so much the cores that are the problem, but components from suppliers are being rationed. I guess that would make sense. How many millions of people out there that like to play game on computers? How many cores can they make in a day?

Steam has some millions. I'm not very good with math but this might take awhile.

Its not hitting the older nodes until now for GPU but high demand has been a thing for much longer, remember how intel was back to setting up more 14nm capacity.

This is a global shortage and a delayed effect of the pandemic alongside a small mining resurgence. I say small because this is just an item for our specific niche. Chip demand is far bigger than mining.

Kinda reminds me of how it takes a shit ton of effort to avoid having to ship/import Electronics resources from Earth in Surviving Mars :roll:

I wouldn't mind this happening if the prices were 200 and 250 USD respectively. I'd be more than happy to pay 200 for a 2060. It's not like AMD will release a good $200 Navi 2 card any time soon (if ever).
But we all know it's not gonna be priced that low. So yeah.... nothing to see here.

I just have 2 questions. Why weren't these gpus already selling?, what the f were nvidia doing with this stock stored away?

RaendorI completely abandoned idea of upgrading my 1080 and the rest of pc until prices get in a ballpark of normal. Instead I’m simply enjoying backlog on current hardware as it runs fine and checking some new stuff on Series X with game pass. It’s not worth paying €600 for 3060ti with mere 8gb, when a €500 console is a complete system with graphics around 3070 level.

Same for me here, I was really looking forward to upgrading my GPU this year, but not at current prices. I just checked my recent gpu history and man, things are really bad these days.
I built my current desktop back in 2011 with a GTX 560 Ti that cost me 210€. In 2016 I upgraded to a RX 480 for 249€ giving me a perf increase of ~265% according to TPU. Now I was planning on splurging on a 3060 Ti for 450-500€ to get another 242% increase. But now even the cheapest model is almost 600€.

At those prices Nvidia can take these last gen cards and shove them up Huang's.

N3M3515I just have 2 questions. Why weren't these gpus already selling?, what the f were nvidia doing with this stock stored away?

I believe nvidia cut production levels to move Turing cards out of stock to prepare for Ampere cards release and now that scalpers are holding Ampere hostage, nvidia can quietly make Turing cards and flood the market with them which leaves the scalpers scrambling to lower prices (they have real money invested in these cards) if everyone starts buying Turing cards instead of paying the ransom for the latest and greatest. It might be considered an anti scalper move for nvidia as the previous gen cards are still plenty powerful for gaming.

BubsterRTX 2060 Super (Asus) overclocks really well it's like getting a discounted 2070 Super while having similar performance but 3060 TI performance is outstanding...it seems this low stock situation will last for many more months...Nvidia Sucks

IIRC, nVidia has suggested that there will be stock issues until at least the April / May timeframe. Therefore late Q2 to early Q3 is a reasonable expectation. Roughly half the year will see a dearth of current gen cards. So it makes sense that nVidia would release more previous gen cards.

To which I say, F this, I'll just wait it out and hold on to my money. No way I'm buying an RTX 2000 series card unless it comes with a deep discount.

agentnathan009I believe nvidia cut production levels to move Turing cards out of stock to prepare for Ampere cards release and now that scalpers are holding Ampere hostage, nvidia can quietly make Turing cards and flood the market with them which leaves the scalpers scrambling to lower prices (they have real money invested in these cards) if everyone starts buying Turing cards instead of paying the ransom for the latest and greatest. It might be considered an anti scalper move for nvidia as the previous gen cards are still plenty powerful for gaming.

That's really the moment people are waiting for. Scalper rely on free cash flow (selling), so every card that enters the supply chain slows down the rate at which scalpers can sell. Someone may want to buy a 3060 Ti at $500, but they settle with a 2060 rebadge at $400. That person is no longer a potential buyer from a scalper, so the potential turnover rate / free cash flow for the scalper goes down. They are in a game of musical chairs, and at some point a bunch of scalpers will be left holding cards they can't sell at a profit. This is reason to cheer any introduction of new supply.

With more people getting "stimulus" checks over then next couple of months though, they are safe for at least another quarter I think. I know several people who used that money to buy upgrades, and at least one who used it to scalp and increase their $. I think it is already causing further price inflation, as all the new Nvidia cards on stockX (scalpers) have recently bumped up in price.

cryohellinc2060 super cannot be compared to 3060Ti. For the same price?

This makes 0 sense. Either information is incorrect, or this is some sort of fake.

If there are no 3060ti’s to sell then it does... we are reaching a whole new level of crazy.

LomskijI'm surprised that they didn't do that. It would have been a common practice, no?

Not for the money they are asking for.
If 3060 is $330 and you have > 3050ti > 3050 > the 3040 should be priced at around $200 and nvidia by the looks of it want to make little bit more $$$ on those.

IndurainWouldn't it have been smarter for Ngreedia to take all those 2060 and 2060S dies and turn them into mining boards? They could fill the market they basically own anyway and then leave the Ampere dies to the actual GPU buyers.

You forget the added value of reselling the cards after they (miners) are done mining. If crypto takes a dive they can still recoup most of the hw costs.

TheLostSwedeI can't see a lot of 2060's being sold at those prices.

Yeah, they'd need to knock it down 25% to make them appealing choices.

RedelZaVednoPaying 300/400€ (370/490$) or more for 2060/S is stupid imho. Just get 4 gigs RX 580 for 90€ on 2nd hand market if you need GPU now and wait for ETH price to collapse. There will be plenty of 3060TIs, 3070s and 3080s to choose from on 2nd hand market for the price of 2060/S when it happens.

Completely agree if you can find one for that price. However here In the US they are going for $200+ used.