And we end up with something that resembles all the fake graphics cards on eBay.

Caring1And we end up with something that resembles all the fake graphics cards on eBay.

Imagine buying a "gtx1660" but when it arrives, DAMN IT, its a fekking Intel DG1

ZoneDymoImagine buying a "gtx1660" but when it arrives, DAMN IT, its a fekking Intel DG1

And then you have to hope someone in the GPU section of the forums can you help flash the correct BIOS lol

vanishs14When AMD has the same # of employees as Intel get back to me, until then its comical for you to think there is a 1:1 ratio between the two business sizes and what they make revenue on

How is the 'size' and number of employees relevant to actual products? Nobody is talking about 'ratios' and direct comparison to market net worth of AMD vs Intel.
Yes, Intel obviously has their own fabs, and the employees that go with that. Has this been helping them much in recent years? No. Does Intel also make other products, with which AMD does not compete at all? Yes, so what? You do understand that I'm comparing the specific product segments that both companies compete in, right? 'Size' and employee count is a pretty weak argument here, and I'm not even sure what your 'argument' even is.

How many failed and cancelled products does Intel have over the years? How many billions have sunk into nothing at Intel? How many companies have they bought and then sold off at a major loss? Intel's size and capital affords them the luxury of making big 'mistakes', but do you think this can go on forever? Losing market share in different segments, especially in mobile and enterprise can quickly eat away that size and capital advantage. Investor confidence is also an important factor. And another thing, AMD is an R&D company, while Intel is also a manufacturer. AMD outsources their production, and even if TSMC somehow poops their pants, AMD has the ability to switch over to Samsung, if at some point in time they offer the better node. AMD doesn't need manufacturing employees. The two companies have two very different approaches, so your argument is even more pointless.

The only comical thing is that you are picking a very specific value to compare the two companies by, which is absolutely irrelevant to the real-world performance and sales of real products. Before Zen, Intel had almost 100% market share in the enterprise sector. Now AMD has gained approx. 17% and is still gaining, albeit slowly, as the enterprise market is slow to make big transitions. Intel is big, but it's slowly getting smaller. And finally, AMD has a market capital of ~105 billion USD, vs. Intel's at ~220 billion. The difference is 2x, not 10x, 20x or whatever. Stop pretending Intel is some colossus with an infinite amount of money to do whatever. Come back to me when you have a better argument than 'muh Intel big, bro'.

BlackWaterHow is the 'size' and number of employees relevant to actual products? Nobody is talking about 'ratios' and direct comparison to market net worth of AMD vs Intel.
Yes, Intel obviously has their own fabs, and the employees that go with that. Has this been helping them much in recent years? No. Does Intel also make other products, with which AMD does not compete at all? Yes, so what? You do understand that I'm comparing the specific product segments that both companies compete in, right? 'Size' and employee count is a pretty weak argument here, and I'm not even sure what your 'argument' even is.

How many failed and cancelled products does Intel have over the years? How many billions have sunk into nothing at Intel? How many companies have they bought and then sold off at a major loss? Intel's size and capital affords them the luxury of making big 'mistakes', but do you think this can go on forever? Losing market share in different segments, especially in mobile and enterprise can quickly eat away that size and capital advantage. Investor confidence is also an important factor. And another thing, AMD is an R&D company, while Intel is also a manufacturer. AMD outsources their production, and even if TSMC somehow poops their pants, AMD has the ability to switch over to Samsung, if at some point in time they offer the better node. AMD doesn't need manufacturing employees. The two companies have two very different approaches, so your argument is even more pointless.

The only comical thing is that you are picking a very specific value to compare the two companies by, which is absolutely irrelevant to the real-world performance and sales of real products. Before Zen, Intel had almost 100% market share in the enterprise sector. Now AMD has gained approx. 17% and is still gaining, albeit slowly, as the enterprise market is slow to make big transitions. Intel is big, but it's slowly getting smaller. And finally, AMD has a market capital of ~105 billion USD, vs. Intel's at ~220 billion. The difference is 2x, not 10x, 20x or whatever. Stop pretending Intel is some colossus with an infinite amount of money to do whatever. Come back to me when you have a better argument than 'muh Intel big, bro'.

Lemme help you out bro. Intel is a much bigger company with their hands in a lot more things than AMD. the stuff you are crying so passionately about is barely on the radar of a company that is MUCH LARGER than AMD

So elsewhere it's reported these are contractually and technically only available and useable attached to an Intel CPU.
Sure hope that's a one off or they can get back to obscurity/ffff IMHO, next they'll drop igpu and force this shit on any OEM using their CPU or you don't get a CPU.
And they sure as shit are aiming for such, Again.
Sounds like the bad old days bad ol' days.

From the shroud design. Id say it closely resembles an MSI card.

vanishs14Lemme help you out bro. Intel is a much bigger company with their hands in a lot more things than AMD. the stuff you are crying so passionately about is barely on the radar of a company that is MUCH LARGER than AMD

I think you failed to understand that while they are a bigger company than AMD, their competition is not only AMD. Intel have more products, that's true. But they are under attack and very serious competition in every single one of them. Nvida/ ARM is also making their life very difficult.

theoneandonlymrkSo elsewhere it's reported these are contractually and technically only available and useable attached to an Intel CPU.
Sure hope that's a one off or they can get back to obscurity/ffff IMHO, next they'll drop igpu and force this shit on any OEM using their CPU or you don't get a CPU.
And they sure as shit are aiming for such, Again.
Sounds like the bad old days bad ol' days.

They used to be able to have their way doing this. But since there are strong alternatives now, their position is actually starting to weaken, even though it remains strong for now. Anyway, it is not like the GPU is performing very well that people will want to buy it. I feel even if Intel manages to pull out very competitive hardware, their main hurdle is going to be on the software support side of things, i.e. driver and game support. They are very new to the dedicated GPU for gaming, and their approach to driver for iGPU will not cut it.

So when we see ROG Xe with RGB and $100 premium :kookoo: