_UV_April 1 isn't here, too early.

Because youre a clown? Im trying to understand your April fools reference.....

and btw what I said before is merely quoting verbatim what Linus said about the situation (please go tell him hes wrong too)

vanishs14GPU stock has nothing to do with miners or scalpers, its purely a function of demand grossly outweighing supply.

And miners and sclapers are part of that demand. If they were not then we would have achieved parity between supply and demand months ago like it has always happened during previous GPU launches.

64KI can't prove this but it's my opinion that the 3090 is selling well due to the mining craze. As long as the miners keep buying them there will be a shortage. The only place that I know of where you can buy one is on Ebay for around $3,000

You needn't look further than our own mining thread here to realize that's not really the cause.

Miners don't like 3090s. Too hot, too hard to cool.

TomorrowAnd miners and sclapers are part of that demand. If they were not then we would have achieved parity between supply and demand months ago like it has always happened during previous GPU launches.

Likewise, if not for the pandemic I'm confident mining today would be saturated.

It's both at once that kills us.

vanishs14Because youre a clown? Im trying to understand your April fools reference.....

and btw what I said before is merely quoting verbatim what Linus said about the situation (please go tell him hes wrong too)

I saw that video too and while I have great respect for Linus I believe (my own opinion) he was a bit downplaying the impact miners are having. Not to say the other factors aren’t contributing, but think carefully about 2018, it’s the same story except worse. Check out some of the YouTube video on the little home grown diy setups with 30+ cards running. Then think about what people with a little organization, connections and money are doing. Slightly off topic but there’s a small northern country whose bitcoin mining operations consume more electricity than the rest of its country’s consumption combined. That truly shocked me and illustrates the scale at which some of these operations are running.

TomorrowAnd miners and sclapers are part of that demand. If they were not then we would have achieved parity between supply and demand months ago like it has always happened during previous GPU launches.

No, thats incorrect.
Linus knows more than you on this topic, trust.

ymbajaI saw that video too and while I have great respect for Linus I believe (my own opinion) he was a bit downplaying the impact miners are having. Not to say the other factors aren’t contributing, but think carefully about 2018, it’s the same story except worse. Check out some of the YouTube video on the little home grown diy setups with 30+ cards running. Then think about what people with a little organization, connections and money are doing. Slightly off topic but there’s a small northern country whose bitcoin mining operations consume more electricity than the rest of its country’s consumption combined. That truly shocked me and illustrates the scale at which some of these operations are running.

I think you grossly underestimate how many people staying at home got into video games and streaming the last year due to Covid. In the US, stimulus checks were basically free computer upgrades or a free ticket to PC gaming. GPU mining at contrast is a much smaller demographic, by far.

It doesnt help also that AMD has a new popular CPU platform (non-apu) that REQUIRES you to have dGPU for their CPU to work, basically forcing people to buy whatever gpu is available or sit there quietly while their new, unused metal box of PC parts goes unused.

I almost wonder if this power play is part of the reason why Intel wants in on the dGPU market.

64KI can't prove this but it's my opinion that the 3090 is selling well due to the mining craze. As long as the miners keep buying them there will be a shortage. The only place that I know of where you can buy one is on Ebay for around $3,000

That's actually on the "cheap" side. At my favorite online store there are four 3090 cards in stock (four actual cards, not models), at prices between $3850 and $4040, not including VAT. And I'm hearing stories about the local miners buying them in bulk, at prices around $2600, before they even reach the retailers.

In the UK the people buying the 3090 usually state their reason of been down to frustration of unable to get a 3080, they rather pay £1500 for a 3090 then have no GPU.

In the Nvidia UK FE store there has been multiple drops where the 3090 stays in stock for 2-3 hours, so it has been much easier to get and people are buying it out of desperation because they havent been able to get a 3080. Sadly they got themselves in the situation as they sold their old gpu first without realising they wouldnt be able to replace it.

The scalping problem is unreal over here and I honestly think its having a bigger impact than mining.

A UK store has been cancelling orders and banning members when they started seeing ebay adverts within minutes of opening up orders for 6700XT yesterday. Its good to see some action been taken. They matched up ebay address to address of orders.

When granule binning and you end up with a bunch quarter-full bins, they need to re-juggle their specs to maximize profit. This is what happens. Or this is what happens when you decide to jump ship to Samsung 5-6 year back.

gigantor84I seriously don't see the point of the 3080Ti anymore.

Why sell a cheaper card with almost the same performance as the 3090 when you can't keep 3090s in stock?

To have a product that competes with the 6900XT.