ViperXTR5700G few months too late for me, this was my real target instead of the 5800X lol

Tomorrow5700G would end up slower than 5800X due to less L3 cache onboard. Atleast in games. Obviosly it has the iGPU and monolithic (latency) advantages tho.

R0H1TNo not really, 5700G also is a single die/package design with lower latency. The extra L3 cache somewhat masks the latency issue with zen3, monolithic designs are rather competitive with less cache just for this reason! The difference would be minimal, except in edge cases where 5800x can boost higher.

Tomorrow5700G to be competitive in games with 5800X

dicktracyStill no 5700x because AMD has become greedy.

AusWolfNo GE models for DIY? That's a shame... :(

Before anybody asks why bother, I know very well what a 65 W TDP means in AMD's terms - much higher actual power consumption, combine that with the heat density of 7 nm chips, and you get a solution that's impossible to cool with a low-profile cooler. Been there, done that, no thanks.

R00kieI take it the iGPU is still GCN based?

AusWolfNo GE models for DIY? That's a shame... :(

Before anybody asks why bother, I know very well what a 65 W TDP means in AMD's terms - much higher actual power consumption, combine that with the heat density of 7 nm chips, and you get a solution that's impossible to cool with a low-profile cooler. Been there, done that, no thanks.

ShurikNIs there any info on PCI-E width for the 5600G? Is it still gonna be x8?

Darmok N JaladThis is what I’ve been waiting for. I don’t need a dedicated GPU, so it meant either spending too much money on am unavailable graphics card, or buying Intel. It’s about time a company with a GPU division offered something better than a 4C/8T chip with integrated graphics on the desktop.

ValantarI've been extremely happy with my gray-market Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G (in fact CPU-wise it's complete overkill for my HTPC!) so no doubt these will serve you well. Zen 3 should give these excellent CPU performance.

Darmok N JaladI know a question that comes up occasionally is “who buys a high-end CPU and uses integrated graphics?” For me, my biggest demand is photo editing, so the extra CPU threads are great for import, and even a base IGP does well enough to handle most GPU-accelerated duties on image editors. What AMD has offered desktop users so far is not just fewer core counts, but slower clocks. It’s was a double penalty. Throw in the crazy GPU market, and AMD was just hurting their own sales.

TomorrowI have no reason to expect 5700G to be competitive in games with 5800X. The same way i tested 4750G vs 3800X. Games love L3 cache and no amount of lower latency is gonna bridge that gap. Besides we are likely talking about 10-15ns lower vs 5800X. Hardly groundbreaking where as the cache difference is 16MB (vs 32MB on 5800X).

defaultluserAt the same TDP, I imagine that gap will fall below 5%

Unfortunately, we don't have a 3700x for direct 65w comparison this time!; this105 vs 65 is the only complete review:

I would hold judgement until someone runs 5600g vs 5600x

ValantarYeah, it's really sad they skipped the 4000-series APUs in retail channels and stuck people with the old, slow, 4c 3000-series.
The 4000-series was fantastic, though I guess they simply didn't want to gamble on retail availability for such a small product segment with limited chip supplies (I remember there were reports of low supplies of 4000-series laptop APUs for half a year after launch). Of course now there's a global chip shortage, but given the success of Ryzen 5000 in mobile and OEM desktop I think production volumes of the APUs are much higher than last time around - and thus there are likely more chips that fall into the "not that good at 15-45W, but great at 65W" bin. Which is great for us! And while I did want the best possible integrated graphics for my HTPC, I completely understand not wanting a dGPU. Unless you're gaming a lot there simply isn't a point.