deuIt is not retarded to be honest: Any kid would love to drive backseat in this car, so as a marketing gimick it is brilliant.

That's what hand-helds are for. Game consoles DON'T need to be installed in the vehicle.

deufastest serial-produced car ever (0-60 in 1,9 sec),

That was debunked, and almost an outright lie, on Tesla's webpage you'll find a '*' next to that claim and have to dig a bit depending on the model you are looking at, they don't obscure this detail on pages for the cheaper models. But they don't count rolloff/rollout in their 0-60 time. Mathematically, the most significant part in a 0-60 time as it is the longest unit time per distance in that measurement. i.o.w. they get a period of free travel before the clock actually starts.

lexluthermiesterThat's what hand-helds are for. They DON'T need to be installed in the vehicle.

True, although I think it's inevitable for our vehicles to get crammed with more and more stuff for our 'convenience'.

With people spending more and more time in their vehicles it's only logical to have some comfort and such.

It's another story however, that the more parts a given system has, the more its chance to experience a fault increases.

TotallyThat was debunked, and almost an outright lie, on Tesla's webpage you'll find a '*' next to that claim and have to dig a bit depending on the model you are looking at, they don't obscure this detail on pages for the cheaper models. But they don't count rolloff/rollout in their 0-60 time. Mathematically, the most significant part in a 0-60 time as it is the longest unit time per distance in that measurement. i.o.w. they get a period of free travel before the clock actually starts.

'Silicon Valley' did a really good episode on Tesla. Well, a few actually.

zlobbyTrue, although I think it's inevitable for our vehicles to get crammed with more and more stuff for our 'convenience'.

I think it's time for Congress to put a stop to it.

lexluthermiesterI think it's time for Congress to put a stop to it.

I personally don't mind the idea. What bothers me is that all sort of distractions are allowed for the driver, all while the car is in 'autopilot'.

Another thing is the practicality of a gaming console in a car. I for one use the rest stops to actually go out and stretch my legs when travelling. I don't see how I would want any more time in the car, other than the time needed to get to from A to B.
Now, long-haulers, campers and similar are obvious exception but we're talking passanger cars here. Inb4, if one stays 3 hours in traffic jam each day and need some enterntainment, that's entirely different problem.

The red spiritI'm not old enough for that (then again they will save up money and buy one anyway). Anyway, I just thought that it was quite ridiculous to have infotainment in car altogether. But then again, when it comes to cars the more utilitarian car is, the better it is. All you need is speedo, tach, steering wheel, gear stick, that's it. Anything else is useless weight. And the same to car construction, the simpler it is, the better it is.

And ppl need to stop telling other ppl what they need...

lmao

thesmokingmanAnd ppl need to stop telling other ppl what they need...

lmao

I wish I could, the temptation is too strong.

Can't wait for people to start buying Teslas to farm the GPUs from them.

BlueberriesCan't wait for people to start buying Teslas to farm the GPUs from them.

Imagine what Elon will do on the factory parking lot?

I also bet that there will be a crypto mining mode while the car is charging.

lexluthermiesterI think it's time for Congress to put a stop to it.

I agree.
Maybe I am old style guy but I like to drive my car myself and don't want the electronics to fully control the car and drive it for me. :laugh:
The current and future cars have too much software in them and we know that software is never free of bugs. :fear:

At least in the functional safety areas of software there is more deeper testing at suppliers because they need to fulfil certain ASIL levels (Automotive Safety Integrity Level) .
For safety relevant electronics with slow manovering systems they need to fulfil ASIL-B and things like brakes are ASIL-D.

I don't need a gaming console in the car.
For children there are portable devices but to be honest my children are already spending too much time on these at home so I don't need them to do that also in the car. :eek:

When we go on long drives, I usually prefer to make a few stops to have children stretch their legs instead of them sitting whole time focusing on a small screen.

turbogearI agree.
Maybe I am old style guy but I like to drive my car myself and don't want the electronics to fully control the car and drive it for me. :laugh:
The current and future cars have too much software in them and we know that software is never free of bugs. :fear:

At least in the functional safety areas of software there is more deeper testing at suppliers because they need to fulfil certain ASIL levels (Automotive Safety Integrity Level) .
For safety relevant electronics with slow manovering systems they need to fulfil ASIL-B and things like brakes are ASIL-D.

I don't need a gaming console in the car.
For children there are portable devices but to be honest my children are already spending too much time on these at home so I don't need them to do that also in the car. :eek:

When we go on long drives, I usually prefer to make a few stops to have children stretch their legs instead of them sitting whole time focusing on a small screen.

That's why I love old school muscle cars. Only carbs, mechanical superchargers and hydraulic brakes. Not a single wire in sight except for the spark plugs and the ignition.

Ironically enough, modern airplanes and spaceships are so safe because of electronics. Inb4 Boeing, that was a case of cheap and stingy top management staff. Not because the electronics were faulty per se.

Chomiq"Distracted driving" edition.

My next car have to has built in.
Autopilot and uber license
Crypto wallet
GAming console
ASics for car heating and mining .
App to buy and sell elektricity when stationary.
And great audio

Mfg
Jan

zlobbyThat's why I love old school muscle cars. Only carbs, mechanical superchargers and hydraulic brakes. Not a single wire in sight except for the spark plugs and the ignition.

Ironically enough, modern airplanes and spaceships are so safe because of electronics. Inb4 Boeing, that was a case of cheap and stingy top management staff. Not because the electronics were faulty per se.

Electronics are safe (fly-by-wire aircraft) because of their reduced weight allows for more system redundancy. I fly the B787 so I know that there are 3 identical systems for flying the plane so the chance that all those systems fail at the same time is next to nil.
Meanwhile there is a single point of failure on the B737-Max to bring down that plane, Boeing were skimping on so much safety measures that it is a flying deathtrap, even their own test pilots couldn't do anything once the MCAS force the plane to nose dive.

For cars I wouldn't think there are any redundancy (maybe the 5th wheel?), the worst that happen is people stuck with a dead car on the road side :roll:.

Why would you want to play games in a car on a screen that's not even in front of you?

nguyenElectronics are safe (fly-by-wire aircraft) because of their reduced weight allows for more system redundancy. I fly the B787 so I know that there are 3 identical systems for flying the plane so the chance that all those systems fail at the same time is next to nil.
Meanwhile there is a single point of failure on the B737-Max to bring down that plane, Boeing were skimping on so much safety measures that it is a flying deathtrap, even their own test pilots couldn't do anything once the MCAS force the plane to nose dive.

For cars I wouldn't think there are any redundancy (maybe the 5th wheel?), the worst that happen is people stuck with a dead car on the road side :roll:.

I spent a huge chunk of my life studying and designing fail-safe and fault tolerant systems. Hobbyst pilot in training too.
What Boeing did with the Max is cut cost for profit and then spent a hudredfold more for damage control. That's incompetent management 101.

I couldn't understand what's the funny part with a bunch of guys being dead in the ditch, though.

FeelinFroggyElon Musk is just a simple grifter and I dont care how smart he is. He has been given billions in tax breaks by the US government to build affordable electric vehicles that everyone can buy. The cheapest Tesla runs about 40k for a subcompact. For the vast majority of people, that price is well out of there range, considering its a subcompact car not much bigger than a Toyota Corrola. The rest of the Tesla fleet are for those who can afford to be "climate conscience" where cars cost more than many peoples houses.

But in our world of pop-bubble gum rock we praise Elon Musk as our generations Einstein or Hawking, when in reality he has more in common with Bernie Madoff.

In the early days Musk just added funds to Tesla because he liked the idea.The company was founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning(had to look up there names) in 2003.
Today people believe that Musk was the brain child.
There was a video on Youtube with a Musk sheep asking people on the street who created Tesla and if a person didn't know they would say Musk.
Musk use's other people to make himself seem like the very intelligent one.

This gaming crap is as stupid as when they put TV's into cars in the 90's.

Perhaps people should scalp these for 4x it's MSRP too. :laugh:

zlobbyIronically enough, modern airplanes and spaceships are so safe because of electronics. Inb4 Boeing, that was a case of cheap and stingy top management staff. Not because the electronics were faulty per se.

Yes they usually have very strict rules and requirements to do deep testing.
I honestly don't know how that Boeing debacle escaped through Functional Safety standards at the company.

In car industry also topics like Functional Safety are taken very seriously.
For ASIL-D which is highest safety standard, you need to make sure there is redundancy in system. Brakes, and autonomous driving would be classified as ASIL-D relevant functions. Such system for example need two independent power supplies for control unit in case one fails then the unit will not stop suddenly exposing the driver to danger. There is also special safety SoC on such control units which monitors other function on this control unit.

I work im Automotive industry at one of larger suppliers therefore I know a few things about this industry. :D
What I can say is that control units are getting very complex in the recent years increasing testing efforts.

What makes me wonder though with this press release from Tesla is if AMD has now automotive grade components. :rolleyes:
The cars are expoxed to many harsh environments and usually we don't use consumer grade components there.
The component suppliers need to make sure certain temperature/humudity/life spam criteria are fulfilled.
Unlike consumer products the car components need to survive in tough environment for longer time.
I as car owner would be angry if I need to replace parts after 3 to 4 years for example.

turbogearYes they usually have very strict rules and requirements to do deep testing.
I honestly don't know how that Boeing debacle escaped through Functional Safety standards at the company.

In car industry also topics like Functional Safety are taken very seriously.
For ASIL-D which is highest safety standard, you need to make sure there is redundancy in system. Brakes, and autonomous driving would be classified as ASIL-D relevant functions. Such system for example need two independent power supplies for control unit in case one fails then the unit will not stop suddenly exposing the driver to danger. There is also special safety SoC on such control units which monitors other function on this control unit.

I work im Automotive industry at one of larger suppliers therefore I know a few things about this industry. :D
What I can say is that control units are getting very complex in the recent years increasing testing efforts.

What makes me wonder though with this press release from Tesla is if AMD has now automotive grade components. :rolleyes:
The cars are expoxed to many harsh environments and usually we don't use consumer grade components there.
The component suppliers need to make sure certain temperature/humudity/life spam criteria are fulfilled.
Unlike consumer products the car components need to survive in tough environment for longer time.
I as car owner would be angry if I need to replace parts after 3 to 4 years for example.

In large corporations, e.g. Boeing, the norm is that the product launch should happen on the deadline no matter what. Often top brass pull the trigger even when they know the product is not ready.

As for automotive, for as long as the infotainment systems are separated from the CAN bus with a measily gateway, I won't touch a car with even electrical windows.

AusWolfWhy would you want to play games in a car on a screen that's not even in front of you?

Probably because it's relatively cheaper than buying a scalped GPU at $2-3k or PS5 at $1-2k ? I mean you get a car alongside it, that's a freakishly good deal in today's environment :toast:

The fact they're not displaying any other utility for this means it's primarily intended to be gamed on as nothing in a vehicle demands that much performance,
I hoped that the automotive industry would not impact the availability of semiconductors, I guess now we must press on and push the desire to create our own semiconductors here in Europe.

deuWHEN the cars will drive autonomously they will statistically be way better driver than the average user, meaning that the roads will be safer.

I can't argue with that, as the average road user think they are good drivers , and a survey will tell you every driver thinks 90% of other drivers are useless drivers.
The problem is many don't know the road rules or only follow them when they want to, or are just inconsiderate.
Self driving cars will alleviate those issues, unfortunately a blanket rule to compensate for idiots means the few that can drive will have that fun taken away from them.

Hey I don't know about you but I'm a good driver, the 99% of drivers I've encountered though are absolute rubbish :shadedshu:

turbogearYes they usually have very strict rules and requirements to do deep testing.
I honestly don't know how that Boeing debacle escaped through Functional Safety standards at the company.

In car industry also topics like Functional Safety are taken very seriously.
For ASIL-D which is highest safety standard, you need to make sure there is redundancy in system. Brakes, and autonomous driving would be classified as ASIL-D relevant functions. Such system for example need two independent power supplies for control unit in case one fails then the unit will not stop suddenly exposing the driver to danger. There is also special safety SoC on such control units which monitors other function on this control unit.

I work im Automotive industry at one of larger suppliers therefore I know a few things about this industry. :D
What I can say is that control units are getting very complex in the recent years increasing testing efforts.

What makes me wonder though with this press release from Tesla is if AMD has now automotive grade components. :rolleyes:
The cars are expoxed to many harsh environments and usually we don't use consumer grade components there.
The component suppliers need to make sure certain temperature/humudity/life spam criteria are fulfilled.
Unlike consumer products the car components need to survive in tough environment for longer time.
I as car owner would be angry if I need to replace parts after 3 to 4 years for example.

I don't know how tesla makes changes so fast in their environment and proves safety and reliability. I'm also automotive and off road electronics and properly qualifying something is high time and high effort for even non ASIL environments. They must make many assumptions or be pretty fast and loose.

Unter_DogI don't know how tesla makes changes so fast in their environment and proves safety and reliability. I'm also automotive and off road electronics and properly qualifying something is high time and high effort for even non ASIL environments. They must make many assumptions or be pretty fast and loose.

I fully agree with you.
In automotive it takes up to 3 years to design and fully qualify even non ASIL relevant electronics. Safety is only one aspect and also reliability is very important.
There is design validation and product validations phases which each takes between 5 to 6 months alone and these are quite tough tests where usually some issues could be found taking some time to fix these and re-run the tests.
I wonder also how Tesla can do releases very quickly.