I never knew 2011 GPUs were supported till now, that's crazy, good job AMD.

Solid State Soul ( SSS )I never knew 2011 GPUs were supported till now, that's crazy, good job AMD.

Ya 10 years is adecent run, and it will still work for the foreseeable future. I've seen ski-doos, and other "toys" like that with no parts after 8 years. Think of that a $5k piece of equipment dead because that $75 part is not made anymore and all stock is used up!!

The red spirit7970 isn't bad:

Pretty much everything is playable and since FSR came out, 7970 might still run games at 60 fps at 1080p high. That's very respectable for card this old.

Never said it was bad but believe me, seeing how things progress with graphics these will be obsolete within 2 years time. AMD and NV are going to release chiplets for graphics. The need for more processing power for GPUs is growing so fast, games progress so fast, it will be obsolete quick.
Yes FSR. I would rather use FSR with RT enabled not to use it because my card can't push 60FPS at 1080p High settings in a game.

my 7770 still running well............. long lasting good gpu

ratirtNever said it was bad but believe me, seeing how things progress with graphics these will be obsolete within 2 years time. AMD and NV are going to release chiplets for graphics. The need for more processing power for GPUs is growing so fast, games progress so fast, it will be obsolete quick.
Yes FSR. I would rather use FSR with RT enabled not to use it because my card can't push 60FPS at 1080p High settings in a game.

For people that are fine with card as long as it offers acceptable performance 7970 will deliver 4 more years for sure. However, if your requirements are 1080p medium settings and 50-60 fps then this card is just so so. For people that don't want to upgrade 7970, FSR would be great and I don't think that it will be obsolete in 2 years. The main problem with it is VRAM buffer, which back then was great, but today is small. VRAM size will be the main reason why 7970 will become obsolete, meanwhile memory bandwidth and core speed seems to be still fine. Depending on how FSR works, it might help to reduce VRAM capacity requirements a bit.

The red spiritFor people that are fine with card as long as it offers acceptable performance 7970 will deliver 4 more years for sure. However, if your requirements are 1080p medium settings and 50-60 fps then this card is just so so. For people that don't want to upgrade 7970, FSR would be great and I don't think that it will be obsolete in 2 years. The main problem with it is VRAM buffer, which back then was great, but today is small. VRAM size will be the main reason why 7970 will become obsolete, meanwhile memory bandwidth and core speed seems to be still fine. Depending on how FSR works, it might help to reduce VRAM capacity requirements a bit.

Sure true. My point was if we are going for progress and advancement we should not look or be hold back by older graphics cards. That's all I'm saying.
If you don't want to upgrade from 7970 for instance, that's your choice. You have to put into account that this card is an old relic and it will not work with modern games the way you would want and you should not expect AMD or any other company with equivalent graphics card to make it happen because you want to use the card and not upgrade.

ratirtSure true. My point was if we are going for progress and advancement we should not look or be hold back by older graphics cards. That's all I'm saying.
If you don't want to upgrade from 7970 for instance, that's your choice. You have to put into account that this card is an old relic and it will not work with modern games the way you would want and you should not expect AMD or any other company with equivalent graphics card to make it happen because you want to use the card and not upgrade.

How exactly supporting 7970 is holding back any other card?

The red spiritHow exactly supporting 7970 is holding back any other card?

You should read my previous posts when you have pointed out the 7970 not being brought by anyone which I have used as an example.
Basically it's company's resources focusing on a new tech rather than an older cards which are being too slow to compete anyway. This means the company can put more effort assign resources to develop stuff for new tech and/or upcoming instead of a 10 year old stuff. As you may or may not know, the resources are limited.

ratirtYou should read my previous posts when you have pointed out the 7970 not being brought by anyone which I have used as an example.
Basically it's company's resources focusing on a new tech rather than an older cards which are being too slow to compete anyway. This means the company can put more effort assign resources to develop stuff for new tech and/or upcoming instead of a 10 year old stuff. As you may or may not know, the resources are limited.

And arguably 7970 support is now more needed than ever before, because you can't buy whatever 6000 series Radeon now and due to that they barely matter. Meanwhile 7970 might be what some blokes bought years ago or bought used and are still trying to get by with in 2021 and for them it a difference between useful and potentially ruined performance. But obviously AMD wants to sell 6000 series, and don't give a damn about 7970 today. That's normal, however cutting support for Fury series and R9 300 series is a bit vile. Those cards aren't even that old and both perform very well in games. And to be honest, if they support GCN, the nit's probably very easy for them to support all GCN cards, instead of the latest GCN cards.

The red spiritAnd arguably 7970 support is now more needed than ever before, because you can't buy whatever 6000 series Radeon now and due to that they barely matter. Meanwhile 7970 might be what some blokes bought years ago or bought used and are still trying to get by with in 2021 and for them it a difference between useful and potentially ruined performance. But obviously AMD wants to sell 6000 series, and don't give a damn about 7970 today. That's normal, however cutting support for Fury series and R9 300 series is a bit vile. Those cards aren't even that old and both perform very well in games. And to be honest, if they support GCN, the nit's probably very easy for them to support all GCN cards, instead of the latest GCN cards.

You still have drivers that will work. Just take the explanation I gave you or leave it. You are not even trying to understand you just keep saying same thing over and over.
You don't have to buy 6000. get an RX 580 and you are good. You can't blame this on GPU shortage now, this situation will be over.
Just get an older driver and go with it. It's not like fury or r9 390 performance is going to be worse due to driver not being updated with this cards, it is going to be worse because games are getting more demanding.
Maybe there is a reason we don't know about GCN not being supported?

10 years of support, and the drivers continue working anyway.



Aint no reason that's an issue, and W10 drivers will likely work for W11 as well for many years to come.

For the users of the affected GPUs or those who believe this droped GPUs are still worthy I made a petition to keep them supported here:
chng.it/cfmwDSd6Lj

jpvalverde85For the users of the affected GPUs or those who believe this droped GPUs are still worthy I made a petition to keep them supported here:
chng.it/cfmwDSd6Lj

FSR actually working on ANY AMD&NVIDIA GPU I just tried game Rift Breaker(demo) that have FSR as an option in settings and it's working on R9 Fury but also apparently working on any other Nvidia or AMD cards....saying this it's still don't change the fact that any possible future bugs/glitches/errors/black screens...etc...on those AMD cards ain't going to be fixed as AMD ended their driver supports....

The red spiritHow exactly supporting 7970 is holding back any other card?

The same as supporting any other legacy product does: it eats away at resources. You do a little tweak to your shaders for your latest architecture? You have to go back and retest that on all supported architectures, making sure you didn't break anything. Many tests can be automated and won't take much time to run, but at the same time many side effects are incredibly subtle and will evade the most experienced QA teams.
Once an architecture has a number of years under its belt, support is pretty much done. What you have is reasonably stable and you won't add further features. When that happens, it makes sense to park everything in a separate branch where you will only deliver fixes for further security and critical issues that may arise.

bugThe same as supporting any other legacy product does: it eats away at resources. You do a little tweak to your shaders for your latest architecture? You have to go back and retest that on all supported architectures, making sure you didn't break anything. Many tests can be automated and won't take much time to run, but at the same time many side effects are incredibly subtle and will evade the most experienced QA teams.
Once an architecture has a number of years under its belt, support is pretty much done. What you have is reasonably stable and you won't add further features. When that happens, it makes sense to park everything in a separate branch where you will only deliver fixes for further security and critical issues that may arise.

Well they can offer a partial driver support, only adding control panel features, without driver tweaks and they still support GCN cards like RX 480 and 7970 with early GCN shouldn't be all that different.

ratirtYou still have drivers that will work. Just take the explanation I gave you or leave it. You are not even trying to understand you just keep saying same thing over and over.
You don't have to buy 6000. get an RX 580 and you are good. You can't blame this on GPU shortage now, this situation will be over.
Just get an older driver and go with it. It's not like fury or r9 390 performance is going to be worse due to driver not being updated with this cards, it is going to be worse because games are getting more demanding.
Maybe there is a reason we don't know about GCN not being supported?

While generally old drivers may work, in some games there could be unexpectedly low performance due to some driver tweaks needed or some other major graphical glitching. You never know. And since those cards are still GCN, maybe even fixes for RX 480 can be applied to 7970 without any issues. I would understand if AMD discontinued aging product with totally different architecture (like Terrascale 2), but GCN?

jpvalverde85For the users of the affected GPUs or those who believe this droped GPUs are still worthy I made a petition to keep them supported here:
chng.it/cfmwDSd6Lj

It doesn't seem to go well, if you want petition to actually work, perhaps post it on r/AyyMD.

The red spiritWell they can offer a partial driver support, only adding control panel features, without driver tweaks and they still support GCN cards like RX 480 and 7970 with early GCN shouldn't be all that different.


While generally old drivers may work, in some games there could be unexpectedly low performance due to some driver tweaks needed or some other major graphical glitching. You never know. And since those cards are still GCN, maybe even fixes for RX 480 can be applied to 7970 without any issues. I would understand if AMD discontinued aging product with totally different architecture (like Terrascale 2), but GCN?


It doesn't seem to go well, if you want petition to actually work, perhaps post it on r/AyyMD.

Partial driver support?! .

That's what you're already looking at, you can use the old drivers until the card blows up, as for adding even menu features, for what the slim minority still using older gen card's have needed a new GPU since Polaris came out never mind Rdna2 or hopper etc why.

Efficiency, and features.

Applying fixes across to old cards, you realise most driver Fixed for a game just disable appropriate features that don't work well with that application?!, YOU the owner of said older card can still do some work to make new games work better?!.


Time moves on, my Vega64 is next for the chop, you won't see Lilly ass crying butthurt bullshit from me, I would have already moved on except for the shortage.

Because beyond 3-5 years shit moves on so much your doing yourself a disservice holding on to old shite.

TheoneandonlyMrKTime moves on, my Vega64 is next for the chop, you won't see Lilly ass crying butthurt bullshit from me, I would have already moved on except for the shortage.

Because beyond 3-5 years shit moves on so much your doing yourself a disservice holding on to old shite.

It's so funny reading this. AMD and nVidia have got you by the balls already. And you are one of those loyal customers that deal with all their shit and get ripped off. Vega 64 is still perfectly adequate card and beyond performance improvements, there's nothing really worthy in new cards other than AMD or nVidia saying so. Vega 64 can still run games at 1440p high-ultra at 60 fps. I really wonder what is that "new" tech that makes all the difference.

The red spiritIt's so funny reading this. AMD and nVidia have got you by the balls already. And you are one of those loyal customers that deal with all their shit and get ripped off. Vega 64 is still perfectly adequate card and beyond performance improvements, there's nothing really worthy in new cards other than AMD or nVidia saying so. Vega 64 can still run games at 1440p high-ultra at 60 fps. I really wonder what is that "new" tech that makes all the difference.

Err, the power and efficiency to run 4k. 60/120Hz for a start.
Less in the room heat generation.
Lower electricity bills.
Less noise from cooling.
Raytracing support
Dlss 2.2 ,2, FSR
Raycast audio
Hdmi2.0

I could go on, and by have me by the balls?!.
No did I buy a 2080, Radeon vIi, 3080, rDNA 1 or 2, no.

I choose where and when I spend ,and did I say the Vega 64 would get binned, no, but it's far from top tier, or capable of what I want to do.
It'll live on believe.

The red spiritthere's nothing really worthy in new cards other than AMD or nVidia saying so.

Eh, a bunch of benchmarks and reviews on this site and a few dozen thousands over the Internet tell a different story.

windwhirlEh, a bunch of benchmarks and reviews on this site and a few dozen thousands over the Internet tell a different story.

Nah it's great :D those are shill charts:),jk.

Seriously we all want hardware to progress, massive FPS and Hz and effects yet at the same time, some want it to work without issue on ten year old crap?!.

I mean wtaf, how is both possible, who's new physics is allowing this.

I don't see that anyone denying that newer top of the line cards are faster and better but many of gamers simply can't afford those GPU's these days or maybe some of them can but they don't want as they are perfectly fine to play their games on 1080p or 1440p 60 FPS/60Hz monitors and don't care as much for ray tracing or some other new tech.....

windwhirlEh, a bunch of benchmarks and reviews on this site and a few dozen thousands over the Internet tell a different story.

And yet it still runs all games at 1440p high-ultra and gets 60 fps. And there's a saying "there will always be something better". I fail to see how Vega 64 is being close to obsolete and for that matter why it's even worth upgrading from it.

Missin' my 7870XT :(

TheoneandonlyMrKErr, the power and efficiency to run 4k. 60/120Hz for a start.
Less in the room heat generation.
Lower electricity bills.
Less noise from cooling.

And you bought Vega 64, which was known to be awful at power usage and efficiency. Those things clearly don't matter to you. That's like driving V8 muscle car from 1970s and saying that mpgs matter to you.

TheoneandonlyMrKRaytracing support

I guess that's fair enough

TheoneandonlyMrKDlss 2.2 ,2, FSR

FSR works on Vega 64 too and it's better than DLSS.

TheoneandonlyMrKRaycast audio

Ain't this something that AMD advertised in R9 290X launch?

TheoneandonlyMrKHdmi2.0

Vega 64 already has HDMI 2.0b

TheoneandonlyMrKI could go on, and by have me by the balls?!.
No did I buy a 2080, Radeon vIi, 3080, rDNA 1 or 2, no.

Yes they do, because you buy pretty much every expensive toy they drop. Minus graphics card shortage, you are like the best customer that they can possibly have. You buy highest end cards of every generation and none of those cards were known to be a good value cards or particularly great cards (Radeon 7 or RDNA 1 always broken cards). Value for money and hardware longevity are alien terms to you. If there wasn't a gpu shortage and your RTX 2080 kicked the bucked, you wouldn't give a damn and just buy RTX 3080.

TheoneandonlyMrKI choose where and when I spend ,and did I say the Vega 64 would get binned, no, but it's far from top tier, or capable of what I want to do.
It'll live on believe.

Perhaps. As 1080p card only it has a ton of life left, but if AMD will keep being disks, then no Vega won't last long. And lately it seems that AMD is much more eager to screw their customers or outright lie to them.

The red spiritAnd yet it still runs all games at 1440p high-ultra and gets 60 fps. And there's a saying "there will always be something better". I fail to see how Vega 64 is being close to obsolete and for that matter why it's even worth upgrading from it.

I gave you a list, see my system, a 4k monitors listed, I didn't buy it to game at 1440p and I don't, so, there's that.
It's a good card , I have Totally earned its worth then smashed work units out for F@H for age's (years), it's done more than most by far, very far, and I will happily keep it forever and use it until it's useless.

Oh and some of that's nonsense hdmi 2.0?!.
I provided proof I don't buy every new toy so,

You don't think I have a 4k telly, you stick to doing you pal.

Your clearly confused, you think you know some stuff about me, you clearly don't I've had this Vega since day one, I get my worth.

And I built fifteen PC's this year already, with GPUS, some, my old ones, and none for anything but their real value Rx 580 £80.
It had done years of true abuse too ,serviced adequately though.
You don't think I Could upgrade?!.
I refuse to ATM.

I'm not against a lot of watts used effectively,