Tuesday, June 29th 2021

Microsoft Considers Tweaking Windows 11 TPM Requirement to Include Zen 1 and 7th Gen Core

In more reason why Microsoft's requirement for hardware trusted platform modules for its upcoming Windows 11 operating system is arbitrary, the company revealed that it is willing to tweak the hardware TPM system requirements to accommodate platforms from 2017, which include the very first generation of AMD "Zen" (Ryzen 1000 series), and Intel 7th Gen Core "Kaby Lake." In a Windows Insider blog posted dated June 28, Microsoft explained in brief why Windows 11 needs TPM 2.0 hardware, and that the "PC Health Check App," the software tool Microsoft is giving users to check whether their PCs measure up to Windows 11, has been temporarily removed from the website while they work on getting its accuracy right.
"The intention of today's post is to acknowledge and clarify the confusion caused by our PC Health Check tool, share more details as to why we updated the system requirements for Windows 11 and set the path for how we will learn and adjust. Below you will find changes we are making based on that feedback, including ensuring we have the ability for Windows Insiders to install Windows 11 on 7th generation processors to give us more data about performance and security, updating our PC Health check app to provide more clarity, and committing to more technical detail on the principles behind our decisions. With Windows 11, we are focused on increasing security, improving reliability, and ensuring compatibility. This is what drives our decisions.
In the blog, Microsoft explains that a hardware TPM is required for secure credentials storage, to drive features such as device encryption, Windows Hello biometrics, virtualization-based security (VBS), and hypervisor-protected code integrity (HVCI) and Secure Boot. Most modern processors include a TPM 2.0-compliant on-die TPM, some even have features such as VBS and whole-memory encryption.
Source: Windows Insider Blog
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59 Comments on Microsoft Considers Tweaking Windows 11 TPM Requirement to Include Zen 1 and 7th Gen Core

#51
Mussels
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Raven RampkinI feel kinda entitled rn with my Zen1 but yea this whole situation smells like moar e-waste by the powaah of the e-waste gods
It's made news that zen 1 and it gen 7 will be supported, unsure about anything older

zen 1 was dumb, because you can run those on B450 boards that 100% have the TPM support
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#53
VEGGIM
ZoneDymowhat is the exact reason why "ancient" hardware that can run Windows 10 just fine should not be able to run windows 11?
improved security? really? so my core 2 duo laptop or core 2 quad pc which run windows 10 just fine are super insecure and therefor irresponsible to use for windows 11

I mean this is just begging for hacked windows 11 vids where people show it runs just fine on older hardware....I swear sometimes its like companies work to have techyoutubers have content for their vids....
Its not like it can't for example windows 7 running on coffee lake, It's a way for them to bail out in case something can go wrong. Which means that if something goes wrong with windows 11, and then it shows that your hardware is unsupported, Microsoft is not liable for it since it wasn't supported in the first place.
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#54
Selaya
CammIf you've lost physical security of the device, well I hope your other mechanisms of securing the device are top notch. Its also entirely outside of scope of expectation as to what you expect a TPM to be achieving.
Is that not the point of fulldisk encryption?
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#55
Camm
SelayaIs that not the point of fulldisk encryption?
TPM can be used to store disk encryption keys, but their primary use is as a trusted location to store secrets. This isn't necessarily a physical access protection mechanism. If you need physical security with fulldisk encryption (noting how difficult it is to pull a decryption key from a TPM even if you have physical access), you can enable a boot time password unlock that adds both a key stored in TPM, and a key stored in your brain to unlock Bitlocker.
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#56
zoom314
Or and I could be wrong on this, the big 800lb Gorilla in the room, Piracy of the Windows OS itself from 7 and 10.
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#57
windwhirl
zoom314Or and I could be wrong on this, the big 800lb Gorilla in the room, Piracy of the Windows OS itself from 7 and 10.
I doubt that's the reason driving it. Microsoft's revenue information:



Server, Office and Cloud services are almost 4x the revenue brought by Windows. According to MS, this category is basically stagnant (six months ended Dec 31 2020 vs 2019)

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#58
Prima.Vera
I have a i7 3770K CPU. Can I show the middle finger to M$ ?
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#59
windwhirl
Prima.VeraI have a i7 3770K CPU. Can I show the middle finger to M$ ?
Yeah. Though, why does everyone make a big deal of it? As far as I can tell, there's basically nothing new in Windows 11 that's actually a big deal, save for DirectStorage, which doesn't seem to be worth much if your machine isn't up to par in terms of speed, and the Android stuff. And with the lack of Google Play services and Google themselves pushing for AAB and deprecating APK at some point in the future, who knows if the feature won't be basically useless outside of whatever apps the Amazon store has. Plus Android apps are not necessarily going to work fine on the desktop.
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