DammeronOh wow, CPU that's gonna be ~1,5 years younger is gonna score better / offer better effieciency / cost less for the same performance (choose what You want).

What a surprise...

silentbogoWith supposed 125W TDP

Jill ValentineTotally agree. Those should be compared to equivalent (the upcoming Zen 4) instead of the "old" Zen 3 if you want to have a fair comparison.

londisteNon-K models are usually 65W TDP.
Alder Lake will supposedly release at the end of this year. Zen4 CPUs will be released at the end of next year.

watzupkenThis is true, but the TDP don't mean anything nowadays, especially for Intel. I don't believe the chip will stay anywhere close to the 65W limit even after the boost period expires and under sustained load.

watzupkenThe i7 should be competing with the Ryzen 9 5900X since it is the second highest end chip in Intel's range.

ZoneDymoguess geekbench cant see the eco cores? it indicating 8 cores and 16 threads?

watzupkenThis is true, but the TDP don't mean anything nowadays, especially for Intel. I don't believe the chip will stay anywhere close to the 65W limit even after the boost period expires and under sustained load.

I am not sure if early benchmarks can utilise all the cores on Alder Lake because of the big/little core configuration, but current result don't look good at all. With 8 performance and 4 efficient cores, they are just keeping up with an 8 core 5800X is poor showing. The i7 should be competing with the Ryzen 9 5900X since it is the second highest end chip in Intel's range.

docnorthOr maybe a version without economy cores at all?

FourstaffVery good, etailers been bullying everyone with the pricing of AMD's chips. Hope competition comes back to take that ability off them.

londisteI have had several non-K Intel CPUs with 65W TDP. After the boost period expires they have stayed quite nicely at 65W. For non-K models motherboards seem to be more limited in how much they boost the PL2 and Tau, in my experience mostly the spec-ish 1.35x and 56s.
Why? That depends entirely on the eventual price. 5900X is $550 CPU (and 5950X is an $800 CPU). Intel desktop range has been somewhat cheaper so far. Official prices have been $500 for 9900K, 10900K and $550 for 11900K. And everyone quite unanimously agrees that i9 is overpriced.

And for specific compared CPUs - 5800X is a $450 CPU. i7 11700/10700/9700 are $330.

Hossein AlmetIf peak power consumption is below 100W and cheaper than the 5800X, I will consider.

ZoneDymoguess geekbench cant see the eco cores? it indicating 8 cores and 16 threads?

MatsThe maximum thread count of 24 is probably for the 12900, I doubt the 12700 would have the same thread count. Comparing with Rocket Lake is not a good idea.

Intel Core i7-12700 non-K would offer 8 cores and 16 threads, a different configuration than the rumored i7-12700K CPU with 8 P-Cores, 4 E-Cores, and a total of 20 threads. This means that either the software is reading wrong values or Intel is now differentiating its K-series CPUs with higher specs.
The processor was reportedly running at 4789 MHz with a base clock at 2.1 GHz. An 8-core and 16-thread configuration suggests that Efficient Cores in this SKU are not enabled, so both clock speeds would be showing Performance Core frequencies.
videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-12700-non-k-alder-lake-cpu-is-almost-as-fast-as-ryzen-7-5800x-in-leaked-geekbench-score

ZoneDymoguess geekbench cant see the eco cores? it indicating 8 cores and 16 threads?

MatsThe maximum thread count of 24 is probably for the 12900, I doubt the 12700 would have the same thread count. Comparing with Rocket Lake is not a good idea.

freeagentHaters gonna hate I guess. I am looking forward to new gen Intel. I might not buy it, but the choice is there as long as I have the money :D

If this was the bump they needed for progression, I cant fault them for trying.