Wednesday, August 25th 2021

Intel Core i7-12700 Geekbenched, Matches Ryzen 7 5800X

Intel's upcoming Core i7-12700 (non-K) processor matches AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X in the Geekbench 5 benchmark. The i7-12700 is a locked 65 W TDP processor with 8 "Golden Cove" P-cores, and 4 "Gracemont" E-cores. 4 fewer E-cores, lower clocks, and lack of features such as Thermal Velocity Boost, is what differentiates the 12th Gen Core i7 from 12th Gen Core i9.

The Core i7-12700 allegedly scored 1595 points single-thread, along with 10170 points in the multi-threaded test. This puts it within 5% of the Ryzen 7 5800X in the single-threaded test (averaged from the Geekbench database), and within 2% in the multi-threaded. One has to consider that the i7-12700 lacks an unlocked multiplier, but should Intel 600-series chipset motherboards come with the same power-limit unlocks as the 400-series and 500-series; more performance can be squeezed out.
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73 Comments on Intel Core i7-12700 Geekbenched, Matches Ryzen 7 5800X

#26
ThrashZone
freeagentHaters gonna hate I guess. I am looking forward to new gen Intel. I might not buy it, but the choice is there as long as I have the money :D

If this was the bump they needed for progression, I cant fault them for trying.
Hi,
New socket thing is getting really old.
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#27
Ellertis
ThrashZoneHi,
New socket thing is getting really old.
At least they should keep the same for Raptor Lake
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#28
Bomby569
ThrashZoneHi,
New socket thing is getting really old.
sure it sucks, but most people, me included, don't upgrade a cpu every year so it ends up being irrelevant
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#29
Punkenjoy
New sockets are normal when there is a memory technology change (here DDR5 from DDR4). They are not normal when the memory doesn't even change...
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#30
ThrashZone
EllertisAt least they should keep the same for Raptor Lake
Hi,
Yeah right two chips and a new socket over and over again every 12 months lol
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#31
phanbuey
EllertisI think something important to note is the power restriction : 65W vs 105W
But it's Intel 65W.... so it's probably something like 150W then to 125W then to 65W at 90C.
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#32
freeagent
ThrashZoneHi,
New socket thing is getting really old.
On the other hand you have a long standing socket like AM4. And then you buy a top of the line CPU for it thinking yeah the crown of AM4... but then 4 months later they say they are making an even better CPU for it.. Now do that 5 times lol and I'm sure it would get old too :laugh:
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#33
ThrashZone
freeagentOn the other hand you have a long standing socket like AM4. And then you buy a top of the line CPU for it thinking yeah the crown of AM4... but then 4 months later they say they are making an even better CPU for it.. Now do that 5 times lol and I'm sure it would get old too :laugh:
Hi,
I long to be bored enough to want to buy another board for a new chip that can work on an existing board I'm using already lol
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#34
freeagent
For me I was thinking about my 5900X. And their new AM4 CPU's with double the cache.. grrr. :D
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#35
Raendor
11700 was already in that same range as well and provided similar gaming performance too. I hardly see how that’s any sort of improvement so far.
phanbueyBut it's Intel 65W.... so it's probably something like 150W then to 125W then to 65W at 90C.
That’s just a biased load of crap having nothing to do with real life and how it works.
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#36
Ellertis
Raendor11700 was already in that same range as well and provided similar gaming performance too. I hardly see how that’s any sort of improvement so far.


That’s just a biased load of crap having nothing to do with real life and how it works.
It's somewhat true but depends heavily on the board itself, sometimes they out of the box with the power limiter off... so nobody it right then I guess
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#37
Bomby569
This a stupid discussion. AMD tried to lock out CPU's from it's latest motherboard for literally no reason, because they backtracked after people complaint. Just like AMD started to increase their prices over Intel.

People thinking Intel is evil and AMD is so much better are just being plain stupid. They will both srew you if they can, if they are in the top, and "help you", be on your side if they are down. Stop being shils for a company that only cares about your money
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#38
freeagent
Bomby569top being shils for a company
I own Intel and AMD systems and have been using both on and off since 2002 :cool:

I do like Nvidia GPU's though.. but I came from ATi.
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#39
Raendor
EllertisIt's somewhat true but depends heavily on the board itself, sometimes they out of the box with the power limiter off... so nobody it right then I guess
No, it’s not somewhat true. It’s as simple as it gets. At 125w 11700 won’t be hotter than 5800x at similar wattage, but actually cooler due to the die size. If one sets or doesn’t check PL1 and PL2 - it’s not the cpu to blame. Any cpu will be hot at 200w. intel cpus plainly follow whatever ceiling is set and try to boost to highest clock with that limit.
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#40
phanbuey
Raendor11700 was already in that same range as well and provided similar gaming performance too. I hardly see how that’s any sort of improvement so far.


That’s just a biased load of crap having nothing to do with real life and how it works.
You're right lol... intel's TDP marketing is totally accurate o_O and not misleading.

Btw I run a 10850k and I am very familiar about how it works in real life.

It is what it is. That tdp number means nothing until a test of power draw is done.
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#41
Bomby569
freeagentI own Intel and AMD systems and have been using both on and off since 2002 :cool:

I do like Nvidia GPU's though.. but I came from ATi.
then don't just quote a part of what i said. AMD tried to pull the same shit you were just criticizing Intel for, got caught and backtracked, and there was no technicall reason to do so as we all seen.
So you tell me, how are you not shilling for AMD?
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#42
Raendor
phanbueyYou're right lol... intel's TDP marketing is totally accurate o_O and not misleading.

Btw I run a 10850k and I am very familiar about how it works in real life.

It is what it is. That tdp number means nothing until a test of power draw is done.
Intel’s tdp is straightforward. If you set Pl1 to 65w - it’ll run it. If 125w - it’ll use that. Btw I run rocket lake cpu and am very familiar with what I set in bios and see during testing.
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#43
Ellertis
RaendorNo, it’s not somewhat true. It’s as simple as it gets. At 125w 11700 won’t be hotter than 5800x at similar wattage, but actually cooler due to the die size. If one sets or doesn’t check PL1 and PL2 - it’s not the cpu to blame. Any cpu will be hot at 200w. intel cpus plainly follow whatever ceiling is set and try to boost to highest clock with that limit.
My point was to explain that Intel power package actually mean something and their "violation" of the pw limit is mostly mobos guys error. Read a bit higher
EDIT :I'm sorry, my mistake, I replied to you by mistake, I was answering to the other guy named Phanbuey
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#44
Bomby569
who buys a 10850k and he's worried about TDP?

people buying a CPU like that aren't exactly beginners you read TDP numbers as gospel, and if you are a begginer it saying 65 or 500 would mean the same, nothing. Pick a lane, either you care and know it's indicative only, or you don't care and don't care to care.
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#45
phanbuey
RaendorIntel’s tdp is straightforward. If you set Pl1 to 65w - it’ll run it. If 125w - it’ll use that. Btw I run rocket lake cpu and am very familiar with what I set in bios and see during testing.
:roll:

I needed that lol...

It's the least straight forward of all of the chip companies. So I think our definitions of 'straight-forward' are different. Liking your chip <> everything about intel is awesome.

I like my chip too, but it doesn't mean those numbers are straight forward.
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#46
Raendor
phanbuey:roll:

I needed that lol...

It's the least straight forward of all of the chip companies. So I think our definitions of 'straight-forward' are different. Liking your chip <> everything about intel is awesome.

I like my chip too, but it doesn't mean those numbers are straight forward.
Then it means you have no idea of how your chip works based on bios values. Once again, it is simple in the statement I made originally. If you set PL1 and PL2 limits (and especially PL1) to specific values - it’ll run exactly this. That’s why my cpu never goes beyond 145w (pl1 and pl2 in bios) and can sustain its all-core boost without downclocking, which is easy to monitor via hwinfo for example. Pretty straightforward.
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#47
phanbuey
RaendorThen it means you have no idea of how your chip works based on bios values. Once again, it is simple in the statement I made originally. If you set PL1 and PL2 limits (and especially PL1) to specific values - it’ll run exactly this. That’s why my cpu never goes beyond 145w (pl1 and pl2 in bios) and can sustain its all-core boost without downclocking, which is easy to monitor via hwinfo for example. Pretty straightforward.
Read what you just wrote... my 125w CPU doesn't go beyond 145w after tweaking BIOS settings.

So:
1. with knowing how the CPU behaves,
2. with knowing how to tweak specific power settings in bios, and overriding MOST bioses in Z boards which default to unlimited power limits
3. while also using enthusiast software to monitor,

Then your '125W' CPU runs no more than 145W as per the spec.

Not complicated at all. It's an awesome CPU - I'm not knocking it, but please stop defending that marketing department and their departures from reality.
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#48
thesmokingman
Haha, that dude is arguing for Intel and power consumption restraint? :roll:
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#49
yotano211
Jill ValentineTotally agree. Those should be compared to equivalent (the upcoming Zen 4) instead of the "old" Zen 3 if you want to have a fair comparison.
Problem is that both parts are not out yet.
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#50
Ellertis
Jill ValentineTotally agree. Those should be compared to equivalent (the upcoming Zen 4) instead of the "old" Zen 3 if you want to have a fair comparison.
Zen4 gonna come out in a year, how is that fair. It's more like Raptor lake vs zen4 and Alder lake vs zen3d
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