Coming as a shock to absolutely nobody, a 3.8% overclock in "game clock" speeds in an otherwise identical product results in underwhelming performance improvement that's so negligible it will often be masked by run-to-run variance and margin of error. The faster VRAM isn't relevant because bandwidth was never the 6700XT's bottleneck until you got to resolutions and settings so demanding that the framerates were already unplayable.

6700XT Game Clock = 2424MHz
6750XT Game Clock = 2518MHz

If you want to turn your 6700XT into a 6750XT, just increase the power limit and fan speeds by 15% and overclock it. Well done, you've 'upgraded'!

Bear in mind the pricings, too lol




The Italian store listing confirms AMD’s Radeon RX 6×50 upgraded versions of RDNA2 graphics (newsbeezer.com)

Maybe verify your sources and update your story as it progresses?
2 % were AT FIRST in one leak, in the meantime there are also leaks of 10% - 22% improvement (depending on the test).
Here is a link - posted 24 hours ago on PCGH :
www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/News/AMD-Radeon-RX-6750XT-Leistungszuwachs-doch-groesser-als-vermutet-1393709/

"In Aztec Ruins Normal Tier soll die RX 6750XT demnach 10,5 % schneller als die RX 6700XT sein, während der Vorsprung in Manhattan bei ca. 22 respektive 6,5 Prozent liegt. Bei T-Rex soll die neue Grafikkarte 23 bzw. 12 Prozent schneller als ihre Vorgängerin sein, was anders als eine zweiprozentige Leistungssteigerung, die zuvor angenommen wurde, auch den Wegfall der Radeon RX 6800 erklären würde."

ARFBear in mind the pricings, too lol




The Italian store listing confirms AMD’s Radeon RX 6×50 upgraded versions of RDNA2 graphics (newsbeezer.com)

Yeah, 'cause leaked pre-release, non-public, likely placeholder prices for unreleased products in a market coming off an unprecedented supply crunch are sure to be entirely accurate. Yep. Absolutely.

I really hope the sarcasm is clear there. We'll know the prices of these GPUs when they are launched (MSRP) and when they hit stores (street pricing). Until then, anything else is utterly meaningless.


As for these results: I don't expect a huge performance gain from these refreshes, but GFXBench Aztec ruins is also likely a worst-case scenario test, being lightweight enough to minimize differences between any decent performance GPU. There's a reason nobody uses 3DMark Ice Storm to compare high end GPUs - too lightweight a test makes it unreliable at high performance levels.

ValantarYeah, 'cause leaked pre-release, non-public, likely placeholder prices for unreleased products in a market coming off an unprecedented supply crunch are sure to be entirely accurate. Yep. Absolutely.

I really hope the sarcasm is clear there. We'll know the prices of these GPUs when they are launched (MSRP) and when they hit stores (street pricing). Until then, anything else is utterly meaningless.

I still can not comprehend why the Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB is still sold for over 1000 EUR all over Europe...

ARFI still can not comprehend why the Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB is still sold for over 1000 EUR all over Europe...

I can: it's a supply-constrained market filled with scalpers and unscrupulous distributors and retailers. That's the joy of unregulated markets when the expected balance between buyers' and sellers' markets collapses - prices go insane, and it takes quite a while for them to normalize.

ValantarI can: it's a supply-constrained market filled with scalpers and unscrupulous distributors and retailers. That's the joy of unregulated markets when the expected balance between buyers' and sellers' markets collapses - prices go insane, and it takes quite a while for them to normalize.

There is no supply constrain. The market and all retailers are flooded with unsold cards with a lot of dust on them already..

ARFThere is no supply constrain. The market and all retailers are flooded with unsold cards with a lot of dust on them already..

I honestly don't get why they aren't selling I love mine sold my 3080 which I had a horrible time with to get it.

ValantarI can: it's a supply-constrained market filled with scalpers and unscrupulous distributors and retailers. That's the joy of unregulated markets when the expected balance between buyers' and sellers' markets collapses - prices go insane, and it takes quite a while for them to normalize.

So the EU is unregulated now?

Face it, you cant just spray "muh regulation" at every problem andexpect a fix. The issue here is people are buying them at $1000+. They're ins tock, that doesnt mean they're not selling, and going for $1000 means near $400 pure profit for the store involved, little to no reason to lower prices even if sales are cut in half.

TheinsanegamerNSo the EU is unregulated now?

Face it, you cant just spray "muh regulation" at every problem andexpect a fix. The issue here is people are buying them at $1000+. They're ins tock, that doesnt mean they're not selling, and going for $1000 means near $400 pure profit for the store involved, little to no reason to lower prices even if sales are cut in half.

Before February 2021 we didn't have this problem. How come that the retailers came to this "innovative" idea so recently?

Don't make to big of a deal of these cards. They are just a small refresh ala Radeon rx580 -> rx590. They are just there so they get reviewed and talked about. In the end, if you got the non xx50 product, you are still ok and that refresh doesn't change much.

ARFI still can not comprehend why the Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB is still sold for over 1000 EUR all over Europe...

Actually 6900 XT is getting a better option as there's not THAT huge price gap between 6800 XT vs 6900 XT anymore.

TheinsanegamerNSo the EU is unregulated now?

Obviously not entirely, but global trade is broadly very weakly regulated, yes. There are certainly no regulations in the EU to prevent GPU scalping or distributors hiking up prices, for example. "The market" is left to deal with that. So in this context, yes.

TheinsanegamerNFace it, you cant just spray "muh regulation" at every problem andexpect a fix.

I didn't. I simply pointed out that this is an inherent mechanism of profit-oriented business in unregulated markets - you grasp for profits where you can, including if that means driving up prices. That is the dominant mechanism at work, and is indeed even legally required in some areas (notably the US, where shareholders can sue for not going after profits hard enough). The only reason prices stay reasonable in such a situation is competition, and that hasn't been a thing for the past two years in the GPU market. And it takes time for these things to level off.

TheinsanegamerNThe issue here is people are buying them at $1000+. They're ins tock, that doesnt mean they're not selling, and going for $1000 means near $400 pure profit for the store involved, little to no reason to lower prices even if sales are cut in half.

Except that most likely it isn't stores pushing these price hikes - OEMs and distributors are likely selling them at high markups already, which leaves stores with expensive stock that they can't cut prices on without taking significant losses. After a decade or so in electronics retail, even if it's a while back now, I'm well aware of just how razor-thin retailer margins are on these types of products. For the stores I worked in, high-profile components like CPUs and GPUs were essentially always loss leaders - the average margins from what I remember was ~4%, which is well below the ~10% needed to cover rent, salaries, and other costs. The only reason the stores didn't go bust were lower-profile, less price-competitive products, as well as over-priced l33t g4m3r accessories.

Interested to see the 6850XT and 6950XT, AMD struggled at high resolution maybe with more memory bandwidth they can compete better with nVidia.
Seems to me, nVidia messed up the amount of vram and AMD the bandwidth.

ARFThere is no supply constrain. The market and all retailers are flooded with unsold cards with a lot of dust on them already..

That's debatable. Supply has been good here in Sweden for a while, but flooded? That's a stretch. The issue is likely that most of this stock was bought by retailers at very inflated distributor pricing, and the retailers now have to keep prices up as long as they can to cover those costs, before starting to sell at a loss. If you're selling a GPU for €1000 that you bought for €750 before taxes - which isn't all that unlikely - (assuming Swedish 25% VAT), that's just €62.5 in margins. So, even ignoring the other costs involved with running a business, the lowest you can cut prices before you start actively losing money on every sale is then €937.5. That's not much of a reduction. These numbers are of course just made up, but they're in line with GPU prices and margins from my experience working in retail (in much saner times, at that). Businesses always have to make trade-offs like this - unsold inventory is bound-up capital that can't be used to buy new goods, so effectively an ever-increasing cost, so at some point you cut prices to cut your losses. But there's an inherent latency of at least a couple of months on doing so. After all, even a €50 loss per GPU sold adds up quickly if you're offloading hundreds of them - and this can easily become enough to significantly affect the finances of a retailer. I've seen companies go under for less.

ARFI still can not comprehend why the Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB is still sold for over 1000 EUR all over Europe...

That's easy.
ETH mining hasn't stopped, and the 6800XT mines as fast as a RTX3080 at 40W less, which makes it considerably more desirable to the bulk of the "demand" in the market than the €1000 RTX3080.
If you want a good value gaming card, you need to look for something that mines ETH poorly, and ideally sucks at RVN and ERGO algorithms, too.

Xex360Interested to see the 6850XT and 6950XT, AMD struggled at high resolution maybe with more memory bandwidth they can compete better with nVidia.
Seems to me, nVidia messed up the amount of vram and AMD the bandwidth.

This is why the 6700XT did so well compared to the 6900XT.

It only has half the cores of the 6900XT but it performs at 60-75% of the 6900XT because it has 75% of the memory bandwidth. For its class of card it has way more bandwidth per core than anything else AMD has launched this generation. Don't get your hopes up too much about the 6850XT and 6950XT though, 18Gbps VRAM is barely a 10% improvement.

LenneActually 6900 XT is getting a better option as there's not THAT huge price gap between 6800 XT vs 6900 XT anymore.

Yes, but the 6900 XT puts tougher requirements on the PSU, that is why I have always avoided it as a consideration.

ARFYes, but the 6900 XT puts tougher requirements on the PSU, that is why I have always avoided it as a consideration.

I'd say that when you have over 1000EUR to spend for a GPU, then you can afford a quality PSU as well.

LenneI'd say that when you have over 1000EUR to spend for a GPU, then you can afford a quality PSU as well.

Definitely. Also, mine runs just fine off my Corsair SF750, which is hardly the most overpowered PSU in the world even if it is decently high quality.

ValantarDefinitely. Also, mine runs just fine off my Corsair SF750, which is hardly the most overpowered PSU in the world even if it is decently high quality.

I guess there could be problems with my Seasonic FX-750* but it's not my consern yet as I'll probably stick with my current GPU for a while..

*some cards have had problems with these FX models.

LenneI'd say that when you have over 1000EUR to spend for a GPU, then you can afford a quality PSU as well.

No, the logic doesn't work like that. You have a budget to fit in, once it is breached, for example you are willing to pay well over it up to 1000 bucks, you have no more cash left for additional spendings.
Also, you forget that higher TDP means more heat, more noise and more concerns about the longevity.

So, no..

Are these 6 or 7 nm?

ARFNo, the logic doesn't work like that. You have a budget to fit in, once it is breached, for example you are willing to pay well over it up to 1000 bucks, you have no more cash left for additional spendings.
Also, you forget that higher TDP means more heat, more noise and more concerns about the longevity.

So, no..

For me, it works exactly like that. Nobody bought Titans back in the day but these days getting a 1000+ EUR graphics card is like getting a carton of milk from the market. So a ~150EUR investment for the PSU probably doesn't break the bank at that point.

TurmaniaAre these 6 or 7 nm?

Still 7nm, it's utterly unchanged silicon in every possible way and that means that a 6700XT made recently will reach the same clocks at whatever power level/voltage the 6750XT launches with.

What's new is that since the 6700XT was released, 18Gbps GDDR6 is more widely available, not that the 6700XT needed extra memory bandwidth, but I feel AMD are clutching at straws for this zero-effort refresh so specifying the current mainstream VRAM speed is at least some numerical change that doesn't actually have any effect on the amount of work they (as the GPU maker, not the VRAM maker) need to worry about.

very confused what the point of these so close to the next gen is...