Why the ram reduction?

eidairaman1Why the ram reduction?

My guess is they were in the works before 12GB?
Also Evga is selling FHR 80s again.

I hope they release a version like this at the beginning of the 4000 series.

NordicI hope they release a version like this at the beginning of the 4000 series.

Me too.

NordicI hope they release a version like this at the beginning of the 4000 series.

And an amd version, pretty please!

UpgrayeddMy guess is they were in the works before 12GB?
Also Evga is selling FHR 80s again.

I doubt that they use a different PCB between 10GB and 12GB models, as 12GB models practically just has two memory chips more.

So it's just stupid to release a premium model like this when there's a better version of the "same" model.

Still gotta go the deshroud approach as they will never release a Chromax version.

Man that thing is ugly af. Its not even just the eternal poop colored fans. But that shroud, its like they took TUF and made it as bulky as they could. And that's nearly a 4 slot item right there... wtf.

This whole gen is really like we're taking strides back in time. Hot, hungry GPUs with little to show for it compared to dated technology. Better is signified by bigger, bulkier and grossly overpriced. I hope Nv is ready to bring Ada back on the path to normal, at least the better half of the stack. Ampere was, is, and continues to be a complete mess.

Vayra86Man that thing is ugly af. Its not even just the eternal poop colored fans. But that shroud, its like they took TUF and made it as bulky as they could. And that's nearly a 4 slot item right there... wtf.

This whole gen is really like we're taking strides back in time. Hot, hungry GPUs with little to show for it compared to dated technology. Better is signified by bigger, bulkier and grossly overpriced. I hope Nv is ready to bring Ada back on the path to normal, at least the better half of the stack. Ampere was, is, and continues to be a complete mess.

But who cares if the GPU is not installed vertically? :confused:

These cards are very polarising you either hate them or you absolutely have to have one.

LenneBut who cares if the GPU is not installed vertically? :confused:

GPU sag is a thing, and 4 slot monstrosities do block other slots you can otherwise use; also note the fact it still hangs in there off two slots. It can already present issues in any mATX build. Its also a monstrous airflow blocker.

Vayra86GPU sag is a thing, and 4 slot monstrosities do block other slots you can otherwise use. It can already present issues in any mATX build.

Ah, good point there. They should include a graphics card support there if not included.

Vayra86Man that thing is ugly af. Its not even just the eternal poop colored fans. But that shroud, its like they took TUF and made it as bulky as they could. And that's nearly a 4 slot item right there... wtf.

This whole gen is really like we're taking strides back in time. Hot, hungry GPUs with little to show for it compared to dated technology. Better is signified by bigger, bulkier and grossly overpriced. I hope Nv is ready to bring Ada back on the path to normal, at least the better half of the stack. Ampere was, is, and continues to be a complete mess.

Actually, hot and hungry is a perfectly natural evolution with technology, it's called the "Rebound Effect", and it's the phenomenon in which technological gains in efficiency are met with anincrease in power usage instead of a decrease, and it's been observed in every basic industry and in every application. A good way of demonstrating it is with work.... Technology and automation have made humans more productive than ever, but has this resulted in the need to perform less work? Or even a steady state in which the same amount of work is performed year over year? No, on average people are working more than ever despite being more productive than ever, and the same can be said for power and energy usage. In fact, the rebound effect is held up as one of the primary examples of why technological development will never solve our energy or environmental crisis.

We can argue about the original impetus behind this trend, but the result is that consumers and enthusiasts alike have been conditioned to expect ever increasing performance gains. Just like a logarithmic equation whose graph flattens out as it approaches zero, obtaining those gains has been increasingly difficult with node advancements and architectural improvements, so they're obviously leaning on increased power consumption as this problem intensifies. Just think of the culture of marketing and how it has not evolved to deal with a product that isn't any more powerful than the last generation, but uses 40% less power... They wouldn't know how to sell it, and consumers wouldn't buy it.... Just look at the survey this website did on power usage in PC components which I think it's still doing on the homepage, "environmental concern" is the least chosen answer. This is the inherent nature and problem of consumerism.

eidairaman1Why the ram reduction?

Those are the .... RAMifications

Vayra86GPU sag is a thing, and 4 slot monstrosities do block other slots you can otherwise use; also note the fact it still hangs in there off two slots. It can already present issues in any mATX build. Its also a monstrous airflow blocker.

That card is perfect for Ncase m1 and other mitx cases.

GungarThat card is perfect for Ncase m1 and other mitx cases.

Isn't it literally a 4-slot card? I have a hard time believing that even the NR200 can fit the Noctua 3070/3080 (it might barely have enough space but not sure how you'd get it inside past the case frame, without bending the x16 slot/fingers). NCASE has like maybe 3.5 slots of space, if that. NR200 MAX fits it though, vertically.

Vayra86Man that thing is ugly af. Its not even just the eternal poop colored fans. But that shroud, its like they took TUF and made it as bulky as they could. And that's nearly a 4 slot item right there... wtf.

This whole gen is really like we're taking strides back in time. Hot, hungry GPUs with little to show for it compared to dated technology. Better is signified by bigger, bulkier and grossly overpriced. I hope Nv is ready to bring Ada back on the path to normal, at least the better half of the stack. Ampere was, is, and continues to be a complete mess.

Well there is the FE variant, but then you have to live with 100C on memory under full load (at stock).

tabascosauzIsn't it literally a 4-slot card? I have a hard time believing that even the NR200 can fit the Noctua 3070/3080 (it might barely have enough space but not sure how you'd get it inside past the case frame, without bending the x16 slot/fingers). NCASE has like maybe 3.5 slots of space, if that. NR200 MAX fits it though, vertically.

Erf, you are right too thick...

eidairaman1Why the ram reduction?

ZoneDymoThose are the .... RAMifications

r/dadjokes even on TPU :D :lovetpu:

Vayra86Man that thing is ugly af. Its not even just the eternal poop colored fans. But that shroud, its like they took TUF and made it as bulky as they could.

Never liked Noctua fan colors, it clash with basic black theme, unless a theme was intentionally designed around those colors, i.e., paint and trim lighting.

LenneBut who cares if the GPU is not installed vertically? :confused:

You do know the entire shroud and backplate has a brown tint to it?

It won't fit with any build unless you already browned out with fans.

ChomiqWell there is the FE variant, but then you have to live with 100C on memory under full load (at stock).

And noisy af fans, cuz that's the entire point of this Noctua edition, quiet and cool.

As if they weren't overpriced enough, now they slapped a Notcua sticker on them, great.

TheDeeGeeAnd noisy af fans, cuz that's the entire point of this Noctua edition, quiet and cool.

At high enough load they're all noisy AF:
3070 FE - 30 dB (AiB's within 23-35 dB range)
3080 FE - 36 dB (AiB's within 31-36 dB range)
3080 Ti FE - 39 dB (AiB's within 33-43 dB range)

So apart from the higher memory temps FE doesn't really stand out the from AiB offerings (apart from Noctua which comes with noctua tax that could cover the cost of waterblock on an FE unit and then you have 1 slot card).

Noctua 3070 is 23/26 dB, depending on the VBIOS used. We have to wait and see how it handles 3080 and its GDDR6X memory.

AnarchoPrimitivActually, hot and hungry is a perfectly natural evolution with technology, it's called the "Rebound Effect", and it's the phenomenon in which technological gains in efficiency are met with anincrease in power usage instead of a decrease, and it's been observed in every basic industry and in every application. A good way of demonstrating it is with work.... Technology and automation have made humans more productive than ever, but has this resulted in the need to perform less work? Or even a steady state in which the same amount of work is performed year over year? No, on average people are working more than ever despite being more productive than ever, and the same can be said for power and energy usage. In fact, the rebound effect is held up as one of the primary examples of why technological development will never solve our energy or environmental crisis.

We can argue about the original impetus behind this trend, but the result is that consumers and enthusiasts alike have been conditioned to expect ever increasing performance gains. Just like a logarithmic equation whose graph flattens out as it approaches zero, obtaining those gains has been increasingly difficult with node advancements and architectural improvements, so they're obviously leaning on increased power consumption as this problem intensifies. Just think of the culture of marketing and how it has not evolved to deal with a product that isn't any more powerful than the last generation, but uses 40% less power... They wouldn't know how to sell it, and consumers wouldn't buy it.... Just look at the survey this website did on power usage in PC components which I think it's still doing on the homepage, "environmental concern" is the least chosen answer. This is the inherent nature and problem of consumerism.

Spot on, and we're seeing the result of that inherent nature of consumerism: it runs into boundaries of common sense, aesthetics, and just general comfort of life. And cost, too, I mean if you're still pushing 20-30% power usage increases every gen in this day and age, obviously someone didn't get the memo somewhere. A large number of countries exist now where people see their energy bill triple year over year, and it could get worse.

Its essentially not natural evolution of technology, its the evolution of boundless commerce and capitalism. A system that served us well but needs more checks and balances right now, yesterday, even. Or we don't and those checks and balances will come to us in the shape of draught, flooding, poverty, misery, disease, conflict. We've had a sample with the last pandemic and the current war in Ukraine is yet another. Shortages on various goods are ramping up, energy becomes a highly priced commodity, and it echoes in everything.

Vayra86Man that thing is ugly af. Its not even just the eternal poop colored fans. But that shroud, its like they took TUF and made it as bulky as they could. And that's nearly a 4 slot item right there... wtf.

This whole gen is really like we're taking strides back in time. Hot, hungry GPUs with little to show for it compared to dated technology. Better is signified by bigger, bulkier and grossly overpriced. I hope Nv is ready to bring Ada back on the path to normal, at least the better half of the stack. Ampere was, is, and continues to be a complete mess.

This ASUS-Noctua card looks much better than terrible looking Gigabyte/MSI/INNO3D/Zotac cards (Man those things just look like vomit).. also premium materials and performance is what's important, everything else is just secondary.

YEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!
I want more of these! AMD as well!