So, all those people who were screaming about intel's drivers and how they should have been perfect and intel should just drop out......

Are they going to avoid this article completely, or?

TheinsanegamerNSo, all those people who were screaming about intel's drivers and how they should have been perfect and intel should just drop out......

Are they going to avoid this article completely, or?

They should Intel has been making GPUs for ages and have lots of money, as such one expects a minimum level of quality.

Xex360They should Intel has been making GPUs for ages and have lots of money, as such one expects a minimum level of quality.

integrated display adapters are a completely different beast from gaming or workstation GPUs. Money =! experience with driver development.

TheinsanegamerNSo, all those people who were screaming about intel's drivers and how they should have been perfect and intel should just drop out......

Are they going to avoid this article completely, or?

I mean, if they were/are of that opinion, nothing about this article changes that so....why would they avoid it?

On topic, the change is happening, next to updates on Nvidia and AMD drivers, we are getting Intel drivers.

I'm personally excited to have Intel in the GPU game and working hard on these drivers.

Honest questions and thoughts... Compared to AMD and NVIDIA, whose success depends on product implementation and optimization support with software developers and of all kinds, what's Intel cost barrier? Such a success, for example, is AMD and how they managed to get Zen and RDNA into two competing consoles, and to the advantage of the industry building products and delivering popular services via these consoles. Similarly, I think Intel did well in a similar manner by throwing iGPUs with a lot of streaming-oriented acceleration into the bulk of its line-ups. So, what's Intel's position between being able to push a good bit of hardware because they have actual fabs, but also be appreciably A) late to delivering upper tier products like this, B) the exposure of having few easy wins ahead or clear and easy market ground to gain, and C) internal processes, business flows, and staffing to concretize success in product implementation and optimization?

Am I making sense here? Like, for the successful products, relationships, and money-flows that already exist, what does it cost Intel to enter the game? Per chip function and chip generation, per application, per company? I see where they already have some successes, but it seems like only a loose constellation of success and will leave them lost in the space, where the moon is the real cheese here? lol

And it still hasn't launched properly. I assume there are hundreds more bugs to be fixed. They will need at least 1 (or 2) more year(s) to get their drivers in a proper state for anyone to work with. My 5c.

HD64GAnd it still hasn't launched properly. I assume there are hundreds more bugs to be fixed. They will need at least 1 (or 2) more year(s) to get their drivers in a proper state for anyone to work with. My 5c.

There likely are, but it's a good sign they've reacted this way. Better then, say, AMD ignoring user omplaints until the media picks up the issue.

TheinsanegamerNSo, all those people who were screaming about intel's drivers and how they should have been perfect and intel should just drop out......

Are they going to avoid this article completely, or?

I know the earful I got for saying that I believed they would be working on the software, and this should be just the beginning

HD64GAnd it still hasn't launched properly. I assume there are hundreds more bugs to be fixed. They will need at least 1 (or 2) more year(s) to get their drivers in a proper state for anyone to work with. My 5c.

It's a catch-22, they need to have the product out and in people's hands before people can actually work with it, so this rough period is pretty much going to be necessary. Both NV and AMD went through it in the past, arguably, AMD is still currently going through such a major phase as they are rewriting a vast amount of driver code from scratch, because the old code base had become completely unserviceable.

Most recent and high profile example is the completely new OpenGL driver they've released to the public in Adrenalin 22.7.1, that's not a "performance improvement" release, it's a completely new OpenGL user-mode driver based on the PAL architecture. As a result, i'm sure you've heard that the 22.7.1 and newer drivers actually broke a lot of things, and that they also deprecated many extensions. It's just how these things work, and code newness is something that is antithetical to driver stability.

TheinsanegamerNSo, all those people who were screaming about intel's drivers and how they should have been perfect and intel should just drop out......

Are they going to avoid this article completely, or?

Intel is still way way late and massively failing with this GPU launch. Why would I avoid yet another article highlighting the sorry state of their drivers for vaporware that is still not available to the world at large?

Just shows how complex the drivers that we take for granted are. Just the bug fix list alone is enough work to be its own project.

TheinsanegamerNintegrated display adapters are a completely different beast from gaming or workstation GPUs. Money =! experience with driver development.

I beg to differ, they can play games, play multimedia content... Etc so they do have a lot of experience and money to make their teams bigger.
They just messed up, I wouldn't surprised that it was due to poor management and lack of communication within Intel, one has to remember it is a huge company.

TheinsanegamerNintegrated display adapters are a completely different beast from gaming or workstation GPUs. Money =! experience with driver development.

Who fooled you? IGPU is same as GPU, just different scale, and intel had 2 decades experience with IGPUs.
Imagine if its completely different, how AMD manage to have IGPU + GPU + CPU in same time with 10x less budget :roll: , oh and they don't delay their products 4-5 times, nor at the launch, they are so buggy that they must to cancel the production like Intel

TheinsanegamerNSo, all those people who were screaming about intel's drivers and how they should have been perfect and intel should just drop out......

Are they going to avoid this article completely, or?

nah, still here and glad they are doing something about it :p

Let’s hear it for the beta testers!!!! The unsung heroes in the pc world. ;)

usinameWho fooled you? IGPU is same as GPU, just different scale, and intel had 2 decades experience with IGPUs.
Imagine if its completely different, how AMD manage to have IGPU + GPU + CPU in same time with 10x less budget :roll: , oh and they don't delay their products 4-5 times, nor at the launch, they are so buggy that they must to cancel the production like Intel

they used to when Raja was there.

Xex360I beg to differ, they can play games, play multimedia content... Etc so they do have a lot of experience and money to make their teams bigger.
They just messed up, I wouldn't surprised that it was due to poor management and lack of communication within Intel, one has to remember it is a huge company.

Agreed. They had years to polish the drivers via the IGP route, and in any case, missing frequent BSODs is just puzzling. Still, it's great to see them fix so many bugs in one release. If they keep up this cadence, then they might be a good option for the 3060 Ti and below range later this year.

phanbueythey used to when Raja was there.

The situation never were so bad as is for Intel's GPUs now

usinameThe situation never were so bad as is for Intel's GPUs now

AMDs situation used to be far, far worse. Basically at any point from 2009-2015.

AMDs launches used to be a running joke among my friends who worked at Fry's since the CPUs would show up without motherboards, or not at all, all the time late or wrong. They had no top end GPU and the CPU was basically a disaster. Even the first Ryzen launch was an absolute mess.

I love AMD - don't get me wrong, but let's not pretend they weren't circling the drain for 6 years. I am very glad they survived -- and I am hoping Intel survives in the graphics space as well -- we all win if that happens.

TheinsanegamerNThere likely are, but it's a good sign they've reacted this way. Better then, say, AMD ignoring user omplaints until the media picks up the issue.

I think you missed that they learnt of these bugs through a Gamers Nexus video. Still, the turnaround time is impressive. Let's see if they keep it up.

usinameWho fooled you? IGPU is same as GPU, just different scale, and intel had 2 decades experience with IGPUs.
Imagine if its completely different, how AMD manage to have IGPU + GPU + CPU in same time with 10x less budget :roll: , oh and they don't delay their products 4-5 times, nor at the launch, they are so buggy that they must to cancel the production like Intel

For the most part igpu drivers are the same, yet there are differences that were likely not addressed correctly if at all. An igpu could address the cpu directly where as a dgpu cannot, its like coming in the front door for ages not it has to come in the side door. Sure it could be simple fixes but likely Intel assumed it wasnt an issue.

phanbueyAMDs situation used to be far, far worse. Basically at any point from 2009-2015.

AMDs launches used to be a running joke among my friends who worked at Fry's since the CPUs would show up without motherboards, or not at all, all the time late or wrong. They had no top end GPU and the CPU was basically a disaster. Even the first Ryzen launch was an absolute mess.

I love AMD - don't get me wrong, but let's not pretend they weren't circling the drain for 6 years. I am very glad they survived -- and I am hoping Intel survives in the graphics space as well -- we all win if that happens.

I had an AMD GPU from 2012 and changed 2-3 drivers. Never had issues with stable releases, the only buggy driver was the one that come on disk with the box.

usinameI had an AMD GPU from 2012 and changed 2-3 drivers. Never had issues with stable releases, the only buggy driver was the one that come on disk with the box.

My 290X was very well behaved too, even though I upgraded to the latest driver regularly. My Vega 64 was very well behaved too for the first year, and then I had problems due to a motherboard flaking out which I incorrectly blamed it for.

Good progress, need much more but by the time battelmage come driver might be in a different, very good place.

On the plus side, good on them for being quick to address these bugs. As others have mentioned, the growing pains are somewhat to be expected. That should be part of the buying decision for early Arc adopters.

On the negative end, some of these sound like really obvious bugs that should have been caught in testing. Texture corruption in BF2042? Crashing when setting video options and during gameplay. Windows Update downgrading the driver? I have to question how much testing was done, or if it was just release it to the public and they'll be our beta testers to tell us what doesn't work. They'll need to be a little more proactive.

mechtechLet’s hear it for the beta testers!!!! The unsung heroes in the pc world. ;)

Hi,
Intel sure didn't use the gpu's themselves on much of anything besides blender :laugh: